This is a technology community, and (whether you like it or not) Twitter being rebranded to X is pretty big news in the world of tech.
Especially with the slipshod way they are doing with it, there is bound to be a lot of articles covering different weird tangential effects from the rush job.
Yeah I don’t like this. Can’t we just use our upvotes to decide which news are important?
Most people on All don’t check what comm a post is from before upvoting. That’s why on Reddit all subs that regularly hit r/all are basically the same. I’m fine with the Twitter news here, but upvotes don’t work as quality control.
The point is that news about Twitter rebranding is simply not related to technology. This is a technology community. These submissions should not even be posted in the first place to have the opportunity to be voted on.
Are you really suggesting that we take the low quality Reddit approach to high quality subs like /r/funny?
I suppose this is what happens when the lowest common denominator goes down coupled with ignorance of how the lowest common denominator affects community quality.
Communities lose their niche by catering to the lowest common denominator and become homogeneous with each other. This has been a long-standing phenomena on Reddit, one which I would expect to not be carried over to Lemmy since it’s largely a symptom of a user base that has more interest in memes, funnies, and celebrity worship than discussion and real news.
Alright, how do you decide who is the “lowest common denominator” who shouldn’t get to have a say over what is being discussed?
How about the people who stumble across the comm’s posts on All but aren’t subscribed? On Reddit you could also talk about the original user base from before a sub started hitting r/all but [email protected] doesn’t really have an ‘original’ user base.
It does sound reasonable to prioritize subscribed users when counting upvotes, to reflect the interests of that particular community.
But I don’t think that will stop people from bringing up any news involving Twitter. The submission and initial momentum likely happens within the community itself.
That would be cool, never thought about that. Straight up not allowing voting from All/when you’re not subbed could also be interesting as an experiment. But yeah, here plenty of people are just interested in Twitter news.
are just interested in Twitter news.
From the way I’m interpreting that… shouldn’t that demand for ‘just twitter news’ lead to a new community for that specifically? Like if it’s really that interesting to enough people, wouldn’t that be the better outcome?
I keep downvoting them. But I am apparently alone.
How many posts on Twitter is in your feed? Sorting by Hot, I see only two posts on Twitter, not including your post. Same if I sort by New.
Even if it is only 1 it is more than it should be.
If that’s what you think I suggest you to start looking for filter options, maybe some apps already have them.
It’ll be funny to see because he’ll have to block the letter X
Yeah well I bet it is gonna be called Twitter for a while yet (the best option would be they keep calling it Twitter lol).
Could be a solution. But what if that company has an actual tech news, like release a new open source software or started contributing to a given web standard.
Well, then I guess you should put your priorities on a balance before making any filtering route.
If it helps for something I also get tired of repetitive news (especially because I’m subbed to many tech communities), but I just scroll and hide (Voyager and Summit), so not much of my “time is lose”.
Then maybe this isn’t the community for you.
This is an absurd position. I agree there could stand to be fewer posts. I don’t need to hear fifteen times that Mastodon has record increases (which would actually qualify as technology news by your standards, wouldn’t it?). But I would like to see it once. A limitation to keeping one popular article (as determined by the mods) per discrete news item would be a far better approach.
I’m not interested in hearing about how Elon took over an X Twitter account yet again. I am very interested however in hearing that companies will lose verification on Twitter unless they buy enough ads. That is currently newsworthy.
It’s clear that a substantial number of users are interested in hearing about this. It’s also clear that a substantial number of users are sick of hearing about this. There should be a compromise to find a middle ground, not either extreme of “as many posts about Twitter as you’d like” nor “no posts about Twitter at all”.
Twitter’s been a big deal for a long time. So, to expect nobody to post about it is unreasonable.
Yeah let’s have no news at all about one of the largest and most influential tech companies going through massive restructuring! That kind of thing has no place on a tech community
It’s hard not to upvote because fuck Elon. But at the same time its all dumb shit.
It’s a lose lose situation.
I don’t know if it works, but I found this post where someone claims to have made a keyword filter. https://sh.itjust.works/post/1715366 I don’t think you’ll be able to filter out “X” though
I was like, " Yeah! Downvote the musk posts" Then I proceeded to down vote the top post because it’s about Elon Musk.
Twitter being rebranded to X is pretty big news in the world of tech.
Maybe, but we have seen it now. If every fart of Musk needs a new thread, maybe better to make a Musk group.
reddit used to have r/EnoughMuskSpam lol
There’s [email protected]
Unfortunate how they spam musk themselves
Yeah I never got the gimmick of that sub because it’s actively contributing to the problem. Guy lives rent free in their heads and they have to take it out on the rest of us.
Big news, yes. But not tech related at all. Those Elon news should be on TMZ.
twitter isn’t relevant in technological development, it’s just a toxic social media site which hasn’t changed in any significant way since its inception (technologically speaking)
I agree with you that no one in the tech world is looking at Twitter for advice atm, but to say nothing changed at Twitter in any significant way since it’s inception is disingenuous at best. Twitter’s rapid growth and adoption led to the development of a number of key technologies needed to run global 24/7 uptime services at scale, just to name one macro example.
Ok that was then. What innovations have they put forth lately? Let’s talk about that. Changing the company name isn’t particularly Innovative.
Reread what I said: I agree that nothing major has been introduced by Twitter lately, but to say that they contributed nothing to the tech world since their inception, which is what the user above me was claiming, is disingenuous. Both can be true: Twitter can be a flaming pile of shit now (and it is), and it can also have been a very influential and technologically forward-thinking org at one point in time early on in their inception
Twitter being rebranded to X is pretty big news in the world of tech.
Is it? It doesn’t change anything.
Is this place called technology news, or technology? Asking for a friend
Neither. It’s a rant about “Twitter/Elon/whatever billionaire does something stupid today” community.
As you can see, nothing tech related. Just people related to the tech industry somehow
That is not Tech news that is business news.
What technology was developed, explored, integrated, improved, or otherwise innovated or more broadly applied by this?
Nothing, it does nothing, it’s a branding decision, business news, not tech news.
Curious, those criteria you listed out are not present anywhere I can see in the community rules.
Perhaps you should petition the mods to change them if you feel so strongly about it.
I think we should or else create a new community to focus on those things so I can join that one.
Many instances have a tech community, I wonder if any of them are like that. [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]
This would be a welcome development, I feel like social media is something you use tech to do, but it’s very rarely an interesting conversation about the tech itself.
Like how a grocery store has food but you wouldn’t call it a restaurant.
The side car says this community is about technology news. I don’t think they should list everything it’s not, but maybe clarify if news about the tech industry are wanted or not.
What technology was developed, explored, integrated, improved, or otherwise innovated or more broadly applied by this?
This is an interesting standard to apply and I’m curious to see how many posts would actually fit that, especially posts which seem to be about tech. Arguably, 30-60% of the top posts right now don’t meet this.
It is definitely very big news, but I guess the amount of articles on that topic is overshadowing the rest of tech news.
Maybe we could consider that news relative to Twitter/X should be on their own community, that users can choose to subscribe, ignore or block?
No, a rebrand is not a true technological news. It is regular news. Same would apply if Pizza company changed it’s name. Internal policy changes of a website are not technological news either. Appointing a new director or firing staff, is still are not technological. Sure they its news, but have nothing to do with technology.
I agree. I don’t use Twitter and I really don’t know much about Elon, but when one of the wealthiest people in the world is doing something with a major tech company, Id like to be somewhat informed
Elon must stay rich from living in everyone’s heads rent-free…
I’d rather want to know why we have 10 posts about twitter changing it’s name but the one post about grindr employees unionizing gets removed because it’s apparently not tech related
Are unionization posts getting removed here? That seems against the whole idea of an open internet here.
Wait, what? I dont give a fuck about the elon musk shit, but I care about grindr employees. Seems this community is earning a block from my side
This sort of situation is why I believe the human interests around technology should be covered.
I get that this is a contentious topic and I agree that Musk gets too much coverage, but…I strongly believe that people should be able to post whatever they want as long as it adheres to the community’s topic (technology) and adheres to the rules.
The arguement of, “I don’t wanna see {topic here} so stop posting about {topic here}” is a really slippery slope. Clearly there are quiet users here that DO actually want to hear about X news and DO want to dicuss it. What about topics that appeal to you, or like 20% of the community, but 80% couldn’t give a shit? Where is the line?
Realistically, this is on you. You don’t like it? Downvote and scroll past it. Want a perfectly curated source of news you care about? Use an RSS reader that offers topic filters. This is a community of diverse interests that may not always reflect yours. Deal with it, or go elsewhere.
Your point is absolutely valid, but what’s happening at Twitter really is only relevant to social media news. There’s no tech changing or advancing, just a really bad marketing decision. I personally do not believe that this is tech news or relevant to it.
To be fair it’s a tech company though so it can impact those in the tech space. Generally it doesn’t but you know what I mean.
I agree. It’s more political than technology related.
Its either Business or Political not tech
Doesn’t matter. People can post whatever they want. And people can vote on whatever they want. And Elon content is being voted up. What this post is really saying is:
“STOP LIKING THINGS I DON’T LIKE”
And these people need to get over it or stop using Lemmy. You’re not entitled to only see the content you want.
So what’s odd here is that this is tech devolving. X is a software services and technology company that pioneered a field. We are watching that fall apart in real time.
Technology doesn’t exist in a vacuum it is entwined in society. Business decisions are undoing years of a societies integration into daily lives. This is like witnessing the fall of Rome in fast forward. So oddly enough this is an live use case in the convergence of society and tech., which is technology.
what is technology to you?
That’s an even bigger contentious debate. And the fact that there is no one mutually agreed on answer means we either need a formal definition in the rules or the people in this community need to understand that there are people that exist with a broader or narrower definition of technology than they have.
That said, like it or not, go to any major tech blog, podcast, YouTuber, and they all talking about X / Twitter. The tech communities outside of Lemmy have all agreed that Twitter / X is technology. And Lemmy doesn’t live in a bubble.
The tech communities outside of Lemmy have all agreed that Twitter / X is technology.
This is an “appeal to authority” logical fallacy.
Personally I think an argument that “Twitter / X is technology” is a very, very difficult argument to make. It’s a social media company. Is every company that has a website “tech”?
It’s also a generalisation. Perhaps if twitter invented a new decentralised database that might be “tech”, but marketing decisions are not.
Marketing decisions of a tech company are valid to be discussed. We discuss marketing and other business decisions of many tech companies and will continue to do so. Your argument is invalid - you’re not the arbiter of what are and what aren’t valid discussion subjects.
How is twitter a tech company ?
https://money.cnn.com/2014/08/22/technology/social/twitter-isis/index.html https://www.firstpost.com/tech/news-analysis/is-twitter-a-technology-platform-a-media-company-or-both-3603227.html
the debate rages on. Frankly, I think you’re moronic to complain about Twitter here. They are regularly influencing tech media reporting and they launched as a tech stock.
And Lemmy doesn’t live in a bubble.
lol ok…
I think it would help define it or give examples of what it is or isn’t intended to include. Should it include biotech, materials tech, or is it limited to computers, Internet, AI? Or…?
Technology to me includes things like papyrus and typewriters and the above and much more. But what I expect to see in a technology community is narrower than that.
Typewriters are technology, but information about what color of shoes is being worn by the guy who bought the typewriter patent from its inventor isn’t technology.
I think it would help define it or give examples of what it is or isn’t intended to include.
Agreed. I’d rather not see this place turn into frontpage news for tech companies (even if the subtext is critical). Currently the predominant things being posted are Elon/X or Big Tech Bad. I feel that if the focus was more on the technology aspect, we can get away from the gossipy/reactionary “news”
…but that’s what happens when you call a community “technology”. Its a pretty damn broad category and these days, incredibly mainstream.
Communities like " technology" are going to be as mainstream as they were on Reddit. There is nothing you can do about it unless you convince the mods to spend 14 hours a day curating and removing posts from people with mainstream definitions.
If you want a more curated definition, or you have more niche interests, then you probably want to go to a different community. Heck, maybe start your own. Be the change you want to see.
It seems a bit silly to go to a community called “technology” and then complain that it represents what 90% of technology news sources are talking about.
It seems a lot of people here think that anyone who runs a Web site is a tech company.
they… do? it’s like the “what is art” debate. the answer is “whatever you want it to mean in that moment and it can be different in the next moment”
So news of an online store doing shady shit constitutes as “tech news” because they run a web site? Strictly speaking the wheel is also technology, so a post about the history of the wheel seems like a worthy post in a tech community? We might as well post anything here because almost everything you use in your daily life is either technology or related to technology. While I do understand the philosophical aspect of the answer it has no practical value when it comes to defining what kind of content should be posted here.
There needs to be a more practical understanding of what the community considers “tech” so that wrong kind of posts don’t get spammed here. For me personally the internet has been around for most of my life. It’s not some new a shiny thing, it’s as common as the wheel. Therefor I don’t consider just running a bog standard website “tech”. Similarly I don’t consider Twitter / X a tech company, they’re a social media company that uses software as a tool. I haven’t considered anything about Twitter, except firing the engineers, as tech news since Musk wanted to buy Twitter. Maybe even before Musk tried to buy it, but who remembers things from eons ago. If there was news about some kind of exploit on Twitter or a data breach, that I could consider tech news because that is generally related to the actual tech they are using for their business. But a Twitter rebrand? Has literally nothing to do with tech beyond the tools they used constituting as “tech”. But then we’re back to square one where I could post about a new bicycle coming out, because the wheels bicycles use are “tech” and the frame material being used is produced by “tech” and there’s a lot of “tech” that goes into a bicycle. But somehow I doubt this is what the community cares about.
So news of an online store doing shady shit constitutes as “tech news” because they run a web site?
So writing “R MUTT 1917” on a urinal and putting it in an art gallery constitutes as “art” just because they said it is?
etc etc
According to you it definitely does, that was literally your argument for having anything remotely tech related as tech news.
My argument was that it needs to be actually related to tech/art to considered that. If we want to be super critical of art then just writing that at an urinal may or may not be art. For the sake of argument let’s say it’s not. But if someone takes a picture of it (or turns the entire thing into a composition) and puts it in an art gallery then it is art. It has to contextualized somehow as art to be in a gallery and that contextualization defines it as art. Similarly tech news should be in in the context of tech, which is why something like rebranding a company is not necessarily tech news.
yes, I was using the famous example that broke the Fin De Ciele -era snobbery about art and the distinction between artist and artisan to make a point.
my point is that you can’t define it. So you say “should posts about the wheel be included?”
and the answer is if you exclude all things about wheels where do you draw the line? someone creates a new type of ball bearing that revolutionizes manufacturing, but thats not allowed because it’s a wheel? Someone uses a new archeological discovery about an ancient device to invent a modern one? No posts about cars, trains etc? No posts about waterwheel generated activity?
It becomes impossible to police.
Go to any tech site, publication, podcast YouTuber, etc. All of them are talking about Twitter. Mainstream tech has agreed that Twitter / Facebook are tech.
Im not saying I agree. I’m not saying even that I care about these topics. I don’t. I think Musk is an idiot and actively avoid news about his BS. But clearly a lot of people do care and a lot of people agree that Twitter is tech.
If this community wants to specify a definition of tech that differs from the mainstream, then they need to put it in the rules and accept that we need to control the acceptable conversation because certain members of the community are getting triggered by having to scroll past posts related to Musk or his properties.
This argument is kind of saying “/c/technology should contain any topics which are interesting to people subscribed to /c/technology”.
We’re not a publication, podcast, or youtuber. This is a community aggregating posts about the topic of choice. We’re not trying to gather up users by posting things that are interesting to our existing users.
This statement indicates that what is technology is decided by popular opinion, not by any inherent meaning in words. Certainly the meaning of words change with time and they have no inherent meaning, so in a very real sense, definitions are decided by popular vote. However, if Twitter is a tech company, then so is every newspaper, magazine, bank, credit card company, any business with a data base for inventory management. It’s a useless definition. Let’s go with the actual mainstream definition of a tech company, a company that develops, produces, licenses or sells technology or technology services, and Twitter doesn’t do any of that. It sells ad space and subscriptions, the business model of a media company.
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That’s how language works. Language evolves and adapts over time via social pressure. Nobody uses words exactly as they are defined in the Oxford English Dictionary. Words are given meaning by people and inevitably those meanings shift and change as people use them in new and different ways.
Just because you adopted pedantry in order to push out topics you hate hearing about doesn’t mean everyone else has to adopt your constructed definitions.
Just because you adopted pedantry in order to push out topics you hate hearing about doesn’t mean everyone else has to adopt your constructed definitions.
It’s not so much about the definitions as it is about the expectations. This is lemmy, we aren’t in a bubble, remember… and just because you go with whatever the mainstream tells you doesn’t prevent other users from trying to determine if this community meets our expectations of discussions around actual technology rather than mainstream gossip.
Yes, I’ve just said that languages evolve. I’m saying that “technology companies” has not yet and will not ever evolve to mean “companies that develop, produce, license or sell technology or technology services, and also Twitter”. When Twitter starts getting involved in tech, it will be a tech company.
anything including and beyond hitting a nut with a rock to open it
but what if the rock is a real piece of shit? and what about the nuts fashion choices?
What defines “real piece of shit?”
What defines “nuts”
There are plenty of people who would call Lemmy a “real piece of shit” and all of us “nuts”.
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Politely disagree, in that I suspect this is a hypocritical sentiment. Most users who get off of Elon news will agree with this position now but then cry foul when this community is spammed with a subject not to their liking. And as much as the ideology of free speech (rightly) resonates, just like with free markets, some minimal regulation is needed in practice; otherwise some fanatics could choke this feed up with, I dunno, 99% Microsoft news, all the time, and you wouldn’t be able to say shit because you “strongly believe people should be able to post whatever they want”. I doubt that you would stand by your lofty convictions so strongly then.
Beyond that, there is nothing wrong with expressing a desire for more or less of something—it’s just an opinion. It’s a bullshit argument to say, “If you don’t like it, instead of articulating why, just use the limited non-descriptive tool provided to reduce your passionate sentiment into a trivial binary value and cast it into the sea of thousands just like it; or else, like, go create an entirely new community or a custom feed or whatever you want. But mainly, just fuck off.”
Let me make this clear.
I don’t give a FLYING FUCK about Elon. I actively ignore any posts about him or his shitty empire. Stop using the behaviors of his idiot stans to argue with me. I am not them.
What I do care about is a community telling people what they can or cannot post, not through rules changes, not through mod action, but by agreeing internally to bully every person who dares to post what every tech publication is talking about.
I think you need to evaluate why you let this shit trigger you. I mean, this is like going to a coffee shop and raising a stink because they sell pumpkin spice lattes. Don’t consume it. Use Lemmy’s tools to filter it out if you really need to.
Its not the community’s job to cater to your specific content desires. This isn’t a news site. Its a place for people to talk about whatever they think technology is. It’s your job to moderate what you pay attention to.
If i could wish one ability/skill, I would wish to have this person’s articulation skill
It’s your job to moderate what you pay attention to.
:Chefs-kiss:
I didn’t see any proposals to ban them. If anything this post is about what little value they bring to the community.
But maybe it’s because I’d rather this community be more about technology and less about technology as it appears in the news.
Funny enough I think it’s a hypocritical sentiment but on the other foot – users who are tired of this news are going to eventually find some news they are interested in, and then resist having it sequestered somewhere else.
What rss reader are you using? I’ve been using feeder and have like it so far. Also have freshRSS running but don’t use it so much
I’ve tried so many and I’m always on the hunt for better ones. I wss on Pallabre until it went abandonware. Currently on inoreader but still hunting.
Problem is that I want something that can easily sync my feed and subscriptions across devices, but the ones that support that compromise in other areas. I might need to just settle for good import/export functionality. But Inoreader works for me for now.
But the nice thing is there are a ton of RSS apps out there. So, theres bound to be something for everyone.
Yeah, Lemmy is for obsessively shitposting about Reddit, not Twitter.
Also, memes about that movie I was promoting.
Yay oppenheimer
We can keep that Twitter shit over on Mastodon where it belongs.
Or limit it to a pinned permathread?
Just call it “Elon Madness”
One for Elon, and another for Reddit.
Melon ad-ness. It’s partly newsworthy but mostly free publicity.
That’s what [email protected] does: https://lemmy.ml/post/2431344
Currently chatting with the other mods about this and while we don’t want the community to be overrun by Elon, the articles are some of the most upvoted in the past few days. It seems, that people do want to hear about what’s going on but not at a rate that drowns out other content. We’ve been careful to prune out duplicates to keep the flow down, but the volume of Elon posts and Twitter / X is definitely… a lot. I do see how some find it annoying so we’re keeping an eye on the situation, but I do agree it does meet the criteria of being both news and tech related. I assume that he’ll eventually run out of Twitter pieces to break, right :P
Please do keep an open line of communication with us and all replies, feedback and opinions are always welcome! Cheers!
why did you remove the Grindr unionization post
@enu reply to this please
It’s not just an inconvenience. I unfollowed the sub because the quality of the content was poor. I want to learn about technology, not social media companies and every minutiae about their employees bowel movements. I’m getting more value from Linux than from here, despite the fact some of it is more low level than I’d like.
I see the role of moderators as guiding the flow of people’s interests. If you went solely on upvotes, it wouldn’t matter what you called the community or whether it had moderators. If you want it to be about technology, make it that way. If you want it to be about the business decisions of social media companies tangentially related to technology, at least do the kindness of changing the name so that people don’t mistakenly come here thinking they’ll hear about new technology.
Great, and thank you for implication and consideration. This community, like any other needs some rules or guide lines. Yet, if people are interested in other topics, they can just subscribe to communities about those other topics.
To be more precise, “technology” “technology news” and “news” are very different subjects that may have their own communities.
I believe the upvotes mainly come from rage engagement. I don’t wanna see them either, but they provoke a reaction.
It’s not rage, it’s amusement from watching the slow motion train wreck.
Yeah, still doesn’t belong here though.
Like it or not, it’s tech news. When Intel does something interesting, or Google wets the bed again, we’ll talk about that a lot, then. Right now it’s Elon doing dumb stuff. Last month it was spez. If we ban every hot news topic, what’s left to discuss?
I was under the impression that this was a community to discuss technology, not one that discusses the business decisions of companies in the technology sector, and certainly not the decisions of a social media company that is only tangentially related to the technology sector.
Would not be opposed to a new community that focuses on the business side of tech companies!
Twitter isn’t a tech company any more than Visa or the New York Times are. Twitter uses technology. They do not develop, produce, or sell technology products or services. It is a media company that sells advertising space and subscriptions, just like a newspaper, something no one would call a tech company.
Whether we like it or not, it’s pretty damn hard to separate technology from business (and also politics)
The direction of technological advancement, as it stands today, is largely driven by businesses. What technologies are developed and what they get used for, depends on who’s throwing money at it and how they want to make money from it.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m sick of hearing about Musk. But the internet is one of the most amazing technological achievements humanity has ever created, and a lot of people use it for Twitter/X, and so their business decisions have pretty far-reaching implications for the rest of the internet. Trying to ignore that leaves out big chunks of the picture.
I was kind of hoping for content about new or interesting technology not news about mainstream tech business stuff.
I want to hear about developments in tech like AI, batteries, biotech, robotics, and so on. Things that give us hope or terror. :)
News about idiot CEOs being douchebags isn’t technology. Is business news. It isn’t an advancement. It isn’t novel. It isn’t the most interesting topics in technology.
Maybe it’s just me idk.
I think you’re missing the point that we’re here to discuss technology not the business of it.
Just because technology is driven by business processes doesn’t mean that this form must also be consumed by discussion over business processes that are only somewhat related to technology.
I’m not sure why this distinction is difficult. If you want a technology politics community then make one, stop polluting technology with technology politics.
Apparently not, given how many people post and upvote articles about technology business.
But frankly, I don’t think you can isolate technology from the business and politics around it. You can choose to only talk about specs and functionality, but it is often being driven by business interests regardless.
“Google invents a new standard” is very different from “Google CEO does a big dumb dumb”
Unless you are talking about some social blunder they have done during vacations, “Google CEO does a big dumb dumb” is sure to have implications for the technology and the users of said technology. As Elon Musk’s decisions are having to the structure of Twitter’s platform and their users.
At this point I think it’s very misguided from technology enthusiasts to believe that the matter can be discussed in isolation and detached from human interests. In fact many of the ills of social media, gaming and AI came about because the matters were handled in such a way, and consequently they had political implications.
They were not designed in isolation from business and politics either. Phones moved away from 3.5mm to only have a single USB/Lightning input so that they could sell more wireless earbuds, and iPhones will be forced to change use USB-C due to an European Union decision. Business. Politics. Technology.
But why google created a new standard, what the standard is, how it will be used, what other companies will adopt that standard, when products using that new standard will become available, etc. are all on the business side of things, and so can be directly affected by Google’s CEO doing a big dumb dumb. Without the business side of things actually making things happen, a new standard is just a bunch of rules that someone wrote down.
Remove business from the equation, and you’re mostly left with technical papers that describe hypothetical technology that no one is actually making, and hobbyists cobbling together gadgets in the basement or writing code in their free time for fun. And don’t get me wrong, that’s cool stuff too, but it’s a much more niche community.
In an ideal world, we’d probably have about 3 different communities, one dedicated to the businesses side of technology, one dedicated to pure technology with specs and technical papers and such disconnected from business, and a 3rd one where we discuss both aspects and how they come together in the real world. Since we only have the one main community though, to me at least, the third approach seems most appropriate for here. If you feel so strongly about it, perhaps you should consider creating those other communities, perhaps call them something like TechBusiness and PureTechnology.
The two are inseparable unfortunately. Business and the actual technology itself are closely intertwined. Talking about technology in a vacuum can be somewhat interesting, but it doesn’t work in an online forum. Applications of the technology are going to require business. And if you can’t discuss the applications, what will you discuss? An online forum doesn’t have enough subject matter experts to solely discuss the technology.
I agree tech and applications of it tend to go together. But dumb business decisions of tech that has gone mainstream like telephones and PCs certainly doesn’t have to enter the discussion. And they don’t always tie to application of tech.
As a counterpoint, there’s still plenty of tech news that isn’t necessarily business related for telephones, with constantly developing smartphone technologies. I don’t know that going mainstream precludes it from offering good discussion.
Oh, and an interesting follow on, if someone runs a technology consultancy, can they post about their business successes and issues? They’re in the tech business after all. Or is this simply limited to the who’s who of bad actors? The big, 3 4, 10, 15? What is the cut off?
A post about a tech company would at least be relevant, but Twitter isn’t a tech company.
I disagree. It’s not tech news. Twitter or X losing a few subscribers to mastadon or threads is a Sunday. And on Monday we’ll get an article about people moving in the other direction. Distilling entire categories of news to one person or company makes us less informed, not more. We’re just echoing the same talking points back and forth at eachother.
I’m definitely not saying Elon or Twitter is NEVER tech news but, jesus, I don’t need or want to know about every tweet he makes and every shit he takes. I also don’t think these things shouldn’t be recorded in some way. But the magnitude it’s posted is straight up Elon worship whether you hate him or support him.
I do what I’m able and willing by downvoting items that aren’t news or discussion-worthy and not interacting with those comment sections but there is just so much. Is there a place to just read news about technology and not tech business tweets turned into “news” stories? This is a genuine question if someone has info.
I guess it’s subjective, but from my perspective the weekly thought bubbles of billionaire / millionaire owners of tech companies is not what I think of when I think about “tech news”.
Is the solution here to have megathreads?
For me personally I’d be happy enough for someone to create a redditandtwitternews community and then ban any such news from this community - but I’m pretty sure my views on this are not generally held.
Edit: actually no, I don’t think it is really subjective. If twitter invented a new database language that would be tech news. A social media company re-branding is not tech news.
There is now a megethread about said site.
I support your idea.
What technology from Twitter is being discussed?
You mean like non-reactionary content? Stuff that teaches us, and we learn, and we feel hope? Quality rather than hyperbole.
Hear, hear! I’m so sick of watching that douche get all the free publicity in the world. It’s like his haters haven’t all figured out that this why he does half the shit he does.
Ex- fucking- xactly! People keep talking about him. I don’t understand fucking why. My suspicion is that they have a team of people to open discussions about him, so the media is talking abiut him. Otherwise I cant imagine someone that wants to keep talking about him. Its nuts! Just let him die already.
I watch because it’s my favorite train wreck
People don’t seem to get this. The downfall of one of the largest tech companies in the world, that became rather well integrated into our society, is a slow motion car accident that’s entertaining to watch.
My favorite technology is bronze smelting.
What about you guys?
My favorite is any system for writing. That’s when we started sending actual information into the future. An argument could be made for art on cave walls, and that does communicate with future humans, but the meaning is interpreted rather than dictated.
But it isn’t. Culture and technology was transmitted into the future for millennia prior to writing was developed.
Personally I’m more of an irrigation fanboy. I just love an efficient way to get water to my crops.
The plow. The greatest of all inventions.
I personally feel the trebuchet is the pinnacle of engineering, which is the superior siege weapon.
Ah, but how did the designer of the first trebuchet have time to perfect their design? Someone else grew extra food for them. How did the farmer produce this surplus bounty? By using the plow!
But you’re right, the trebuchet is indeed the superior siege weapon.
Pff, where’s my lever gang at?
Where my fulcrum bros at
They’re fighting the inclined plane gang
Screw them, they’re going downhill.
They’re attached via an inclined plane wrapped helical around an axis.
I like cement. Roman cement with quicklime. Shit cracks on the limestone flakes which erode and re-calcify within all the micro-fractures. Fuckin Romans were mad smart.
Do you smelt bronze from bars or can you smelt directly from ores?
I’m a pretty big fan of food preservation. Ancient methods like smoking and pickling, to modern ones like freeze drying. Shout out Steve1989MREInfo!
Huge fan of lead refinement.
Laden or unladen?
Typewriters and fountain pens for me.
Seriously idgaff about how a media business is performing.
Agreed. News about X is not news about technology.
I get why we all talk so much about Elon, but man I wish collectively as a society we could all agree to stop talking about him so he could disappear into obscurity
Yes! Social media gossip is NOT “technology”.
But it’s news about tech.
It is not
It’s about a website that is on the internet that runs on technology
Electrons go zoomy through the internets
Tubes or something like that
And by your swiss cheese logic, everything we do these days is tech news.
It’s a common fallacy that drops community quality like a rock.
It’s like programming horror being flooded with things that aren’t even marginally related to programming. But since technically all our technology is programmed, then it’s technically programming related.
Well now all I can think of is cheese while I’m on a technology community. My day is ruined.
Sounds like an improvement though.
Production of cheese is a technology, so…
Are you seriously trying to argue that social media is not technology?
No, they are arguing that everything is technically technology. So we should turn this community into a basket weaving forum.
But what is the “everything” being discussed? A Tech CEO’s decisions and changes over a social media platform, which is a widely used technology. Nevermind the business aspects that exist everywhere, is it even reasonable to talk of social media, technology dedicated towards social connections, without addressing the social aspects involved?
I call the underwater basket weaving sub community
Why don’t we have articles about Burger King then? They have a website on the Internet that runs on technology.
Found a handy script to minimize this:
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/471718-lemmy-post-keyword-filter
Yeah. Just because a tech company does something, that doesn’t make it technology news. Call me when there’s actual technologic development coming out.
my coffee maker has Bluetooth
So that it can hear music and take work calls without disturbing you while it makes you coffee?
Now this is the sort of hard hitting technical news that I come here for /s
I am automatically down voting everything with musk in title
