From a technology stand point this is intriguing. But that much said, I am anti-capitalist. The one downside to HF radio is that the available bandwidth is tiny. You’d have to create a compression algorith capable of compressing enough data to complete a trade. Also HF is very susceptible to changing atmospheric conditions. I am a licensed ham radio operator.
They aren’t using it to complete a trade across it. You use it to send information about what is happening in, say, NY to trade locally in Tokyo or São Paulo before anyone else knows what happened in NYC and adjusts their own trading strategy.
You basically are arbitraging people’s access to information.
They’ve been doing this from NY to Chicago (using higher throughput) radio links for a while. See flash boys.
But if you have sophisticated algorithms moving fast enough in NY to only send the information that is worth trading on, this sounds compelling.
I tend to have a dim view of HFTs - I think they’re more or less just stealing pennies from lots of folks while pretending that’s liquidity, but I’m not an expert.
Not really… just need 2 systems on either side that understand the signal. Could be as simple as 8bit ascii encoding… 1 byte to represent the account, 3 bytes for the trade, and a few bytes for the trade amount.
Could easily be less than 10 bytes for the whole packet. The actual trade would be created by the computer at the end to interact with whatever api the actual stock brokers use.
As a capitalist, this is problematic. Spectrum is a limited and common resource. It would drive the price of spectrum way above what the average organization could afford while providing no benefit over a fiber connection. Meanwhile those organizations that could use the spectrum are unable to.
It’s not even particularly innovative because networking over HF already exists. Sure, there is some interesting profiling you could do but it’s not particularly new.
I am also a licensed ham, and you are right. HF digital modes are very low data rate. A low bits/sec data rate because of the limited bandwidth will result in high latency for any nontrivial message length. FT8 is only 6b/sec for comparison. I’m curious to learn more about how they would use the spectrum.
From a technology stand point this is intriguing. But that much said, I am anti-capitalist. The one downside to HF radio is that the available bandwidth is tiny. You’d have to create a compression algorith capable of compressing enough data to complete a trade. Also HF is very susceptible to changing atmospheric conditions. I am a licensed ham radio operator.
They aren’t using it to complete a trade across it. You use it to send information about what is happening in, say, NY to trade locally in Tokyo or São Paulo before anyone else knows what happened in NYC and adjusts their own trading strategy.
You basically are arbitraging people’s access to information.
They’ve been doing this from NY to Chicago (using higher throughput) radio links for a while. See flash boys.
But if you have sophisticated algorithms moving fast enough in NY to only send the information that is worth trading on, this sounds compelling.
I tend to have a dim view of HFTs - I think they’re more or less just stealing pennies from lots of folks while pretending that’s liquidity, but I’m not an expert.
I’ve arrived at the same conclusion re: fractions of a penny front-running.
Not really… just need 2 systems on either side that understand the signal. Could be as simple as 8bit ascii encoding… 1 byte to represent the account, 3 bytes for the trade, and a few bytes for the trade amount.
Could easily be less than 10 bytes for the whole packet. The actual trade would be created by the computer at the end to interact with whatever api the actual stock brokers use.
As a capitalist, this is problematic. Spectrum is a limited and common resource. It would drive the price of spectrum way above what the average organization could afford while providing no benefit over a fiber connection. Meanwhile those organizations that could use the spectrum are unable to.
It’s not even particularly innovative because networking over HF already exists. Sure, there is some interesting profiling you could do but it’s not particularly new.
I am also a licensed ham, and you are right. HF digital modes are very low data rate. A low bits/sec data rate because of the limited bandwidth will result in high latency for any nontrivial message length. FT8 is only 6b/sec for comparison. I’m curious to learn more about how they would use the spectrum.
I’ve yet to play with FT8. I’ve had to sell my radio equipment when I became disabled. One day, I’ll get back into it again.