I live near Munich. Yes, Germans are pretty relaxed about nudity. Even I thought I was relaxed about it, often sunning topless (female, soon 30). But recently a law was passed stating that you only need to cover your primary sex organs, eg. in public places like streets, lakes, public pools, forests and so on. In other words, even females of ALL ages can walk around topless. Which I don’t mind for adults.
But.
Today I had the rather confusing experience of having four girls next to me at the lake, obviously minors but still pretty well endowed, and besides swimming and sitting in the sun they rode their bikes, played ball, hugged and kissed their boy friends and most people starred at them. Because they were topless.
Is it just me who has a problem to watch minors tits bouncing all around her in broad public?
Is that morally rotten or just very open?
Is that even a legal interpretation of the law?
PS, this topic got deleted on EVERY Reddit channel I asked for opinions.
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If you are trying to normalize and destigmatize toplessness, you can’t make it weird for teens to be topless in nonsexual contexts.
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Interestingly I saw this article recently from prince george about a woman being threatened with criminal charges for topless sunbathing in her back yard. Newer Canadian though, I don’t know the law well here; some nuance is given in the article.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/topless-sunbather-complaint-rcmp-1.6898462
It shouldn’t be weird. But since it has been weird in the past, it now has to be weird for a little longer to stop being weird in the future.
Treat it something normal and destigmatized and it will soon become that.
I get it. I’m sexually aroused by seeing adult breasts. I can’t help it, I was trained from an early age that seeing topless women was a private, or a sexual thing.
The point of these laws is that seeing a topless women is NOT a sexual thing. Or, it shouldn’t be. So there’s a whole generation of people who notice them, and need to check themselves, to deprogram a bit.
I agree I’d be weirded out by minors but it’s essentially not your business.
I think I would be very discomforted by minors doing this as well. I can appreciate where you’re coming from @[email protected]
It’s only weird cos we make it weird. Insist on hiding part of the body and that part of the body becomes sexualised. Fall to moral panics about sexualisation of a demographic, and that demographic will be sexualised. If everyone has their tits out, no-one will care about anyone having their tits out. Not even the pervs.
What solution would you propose, that only females of ages 13-18 need to cover their chests? Let them be. That’s the whole point of this… Deregulation? That everyone can go topless regardless of what other people think.
A general rule, if taking photos would break the law because of CP, then it is wrong for them to be without a top.
Nudity isn’t by itself considered CP in a photo, it has to be sexualized. I have photos of my children naked in a bath when they were young because they wanted to show off their spiked hair and bubble beards. I don’t see anything wrong with that.
Overall, I don’t think topless images or either gender should be considered pornography unless something specifically sexual is happening or being implied in the photo.
Hmm this actually totally threw me off… Really is a tricky situation.
I dunno, I’m not of the mind that it matters.
Breasts are sexualized partly because they’re hidden. You don’t run into as much obsession around them from nudists, and nudist dedicated spaces don’t have any more issues than anywhere else with harassment of minors that are present.
Even genitals cease to be automatically sexualized with enough exposure (play on words intended). I started work as a nurse’s assistant during high school. A few weeks in, and the shock value of seeing people naked was gone. The shock value of stuffing boobs into a bra, or pulling back the foreskin to clean up a patient didn’t take much longer. And, it is very difficult to stuff boobs into bras with gloves on for the patient, so most of them would get pissy about them.
By the time I could vote, nudity had ceased to be sexual by default for me. To the point that a graduation party featuring skinny dipping left me without an erection until someone approached me in a sexual manner.
And, it isn’t like all my patients were elderly, or unattractive. And there were boobs galore at that pool party. Dozens of pairs of 16-18 year old boobs.
If enough young ladies take part in toplessness, more and more people will treat it the same as they do young gentlemen.
In other words, you gotta let go of the idea of boobs being sexual by default.
Morally wrong/rotten… depends on the society. In our “modern” (depends how you look on things) society, this might be considered wrong, but in some tribe somewhere, it might be normal as you or I going to work in our suits.
Regarding legality, it’s probably not legal, since most laws that prohibit/endulge this or that are passed for adults, not minors, so the law is probably meant for adults only. Minors are probably excluded from this, so they should wear a bra/swimsuite.
My 2 cents…
