Well akshually, a polar bear and pinguin could never meet due to the fact that they life at opposite places 🤓🤓
Thanks for being that guy so I didn’t have to.
You’re welcome, but I did nothing
The zoo?
Found the Arch user
Nah, I dont use Arch. openSUSE Tumbleweed all the way
That’s also one humongous penguin carcass.
Nah. Ubuntu is what you use after you’ve gone through your edgy youth distro-as-status-symbol phase and don’t give a fuck anymore.
I haven’t distro-hopped or even reinstalled my OS in half a decade or more.
Exactly. I mean I installed it once upon a time on my server because it was well supported and most hardware I had just worked. I cut my teeth on Linux by using Ubuntu, so I’m familiar with where I’m going to have trouble and how to troubleshoot it if I do. I can tear down and setup a new Ubuntu server over a weekend if I wanted to and transfer all my stuff, but not if I had to switch distros. I could do it, but I’d rather not spend the extra time. Maybe I’m lazy, but I’m no noob. At this point for me, hopping distros is just a matter of the devil you know vs. the devil you don’t. I’ve got more important things to DO with my machine and life than spend it fucking with and constantly breaking/fixing my setup. So, from what I’ve heard about it, Arch is everything that is holding back Linux on the desktop and everything I don’t want in an OS unless I’m getting paid by the hour.
The first Linux distro I ever tried was a copy of Turbolinux 6 I got from a Hamfest (I wasn’t successful in installing it), I used Gentoo in college [embarrassingly large number redacted] years ago (along with Debian and OS X on other computers), and I tend to prefer Debian most of the time.
I didn’t try Ubuntu until I’d already been using Linux for more than a decade, and the only reason it ended up on my main machine is simply that Debian didn’t 100% “just work” on my hardware and I couldn’t be bothered even trying to troubleshoot it, so I picked the next closest thing.
Those kinds of people suck, the whole point of owning a thing is to enjoy it, if it makes you happy who gives a damn that us arch users will think less of you.
As an arch user btw you got me in the first half ngl
I like my Linux to work out of the box.
Yes ik I’m spoiled now
I suppose you want your audio drivers to work the first time too? The nerve of some people smh
Kids nowadays. Back in my day we had to fiddle with the code blind while we figured out the display drivers
You mean you don’t want to have to fuck around with wifi drivers for half an hour?
Casual. /s
Arch user, btw. Isn’t Ubuntu going to an all-Snaps version? If so, shouldn’t the polar bear be extra bloated?
It’s not bloat, it’s for the extreme cold
Clearly you have never built Linux from source or installed slackware in floppy disks. Nooooooobs
You noob, clearly you haven’t coded your entire distro in machine language and assembly.
Honestly, I think installing a Linux distro from floppies is what made me appreciate Ubuntu so much.
I know that other distros also work out the box now, but I’m just really happy installing one and never needing to try anything else.
I’m an Ubuntu-user. My wife and myself have a Windows laptop from work and my kids also from school. Not to have to buy another laptop for personal use I made an Ubuntu-usb-stick to boot from any of these four available laptops. I’m not a power user. I need some office-apps, web-browser, … . And gaming is done via Gforce-Now cloud gaming. If that makes me a noob 🙂 I mostly don’t have the time anymore to tinker with all this anymore. Been there, done that.
You’re doing just fine. Use. The tools you want when you want.
That’s nice. Be sure to set appropriate flags to mount the USB (e.g. in fstab file) to prolong it’s life span. The thumb drive could deteriorate rather quickly otherwise.
See: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Install_Arch_Linux_on_a_removable_medium#Minimizing_disk_access
Edit: typo
Reading the article, it seems like the configuration of the fstab-file needs to be done at creating the bootable usb-stick? Or can it also be modified afterwards?
I should’ve been more specific, the content is hidden deeper in the wiki, you have to follow the links:
- Reduce read/writes https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Improving_performance#Reduce_disk_reads/writes
- Improving Ext4 performance https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Ext4#Improving_performance
To do the tune-ups, the usb drive must be unmounted. But it might not be as relevant as I thought… the same wiki entry says, that if you do 10gb of write operations per day, the USB drive (whitout tune-ups) should last you 10 years. But you still might consider disable journaling as it will speed things up (less of those costly write operations).
Doesn’t Ubuntu have a metric shit ton of legitimate problems these days? I thought people had mostly moved away from it as the go to distro
Yeah as far as I can tell, the current big user-friendly distros are either PopOS or Linux Mint because Ubuntu is doing the whole snap thing, and also Mint (maybe Pop too, i havent looked into that one much) is Ubuntu-based just without snap
Nope. You’re just hearing the loud noises in some echo chambers.
Are snaps hard to avoid?
Snaps have borked my device table, now lsblk lists every single fucking snap install. I will get a new SSD for my system partition, and I’ll probably go with Debian. If I have to deliberately avoid an OS feature because the vendor has decided to shove it down my throat I will drop that OS like it’s hot.
To avoid them entirely, yes. Ubuntu ships some of its core functionality via snap. That’s how it was tested, and how it will be updated for the foreseeable future. Ripping that out puts you on an untested path that you’re responsible for managing. To keep things working as designed and tested, and avoid breakage, I’d leave snap alone and pretend it doesn’t exist, if I wanted to avoid it.
To avoid them for your personal needs, no they’re not hard to avoid. Just don’t install anything yourself via Snap. Use apt, Flatpak instead. Or any other means.
Personally I use a mix of Snap and Flatpak on top of Ubuntu LTS. That keeps the base OS boring stable and provides a way to keep user apps like GIMP, Inkscape and LibreOffice up to date, without the risk of breakage that comes with PPAs. Docker’s great for running services as well as many other use cases too.
To avoid them for your personal needs, no they’re not hard to avoid. Just don’t install anything yourself via Snap. Use apt, Flatpak instead. Or any other means.
Not entirely accurate. Some apt packages like firefox and chromium just install the corresponding snap.
Snap has it’s use cases, but it should not be a silent substitute for .debs
Yes that’s true and in my opinion perfectly fine. As a developer who’s done some deb packaging work, that’s how I’d migrate from a deb to snap in order to minimize breakage on upgrade, especially if I’m no longer supporting the deb. This strategy also keeps compatibility with scripts that
apt install firefoxwhich would otherwise break on upgrade from 20.04 to 22.04. It’s a pretty elegant way to do it.I can see using snaps when the alternative is to break things. But mozilla team is already packaging as .deb for ubuntu available through the mozillateam ppa.
This seems to be canonical arbitrarily injecting the snap store as a dependency for firefox with no clear benefit and noticeable performance issues
I don’t know who packages what and what the SLAs for each is. That is, who makes the snap, who makes the debs in the mozillateam PPA, is it the same people, are they different with different mandates. What is the security patch expectation for the snap and deb. I suspect that there’s a difference there. What we know for sure is that Ubuntu comes with a security patch expectation for the packages in the base OS along with varying expectations for the packages in the different Ubuntu repositories - main, universe, multiverse, etc. The snap version of Firefox falls under this umbrella. The mozillateam PPA does not. Maybe the latter is also patched as quickly. For users who can’t or don’t want to think about those important details, whatever is shipped with Ubuntu is probably the safest bet.
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Tell me you’re new to Linux without telling me you’re new to Linux.
I’m just learning Linux so I literally Googled the easiest version and installed Ubuntu. I can’t even figure out folder permissions. I’m in over my head, but at least I’m also getting made fun of.
You will learn, it just takes time, even those fanboys didn’t know anything about chmod when they started, and some of them install Arch and end up running back to windows because they started on hard mode.
Just use the distro that fits your needs.
Dude, I’ve been messing with this stuff for a decade and permissions still get me sometimes. If something is breaking, always do a check on permissions. It’s often the issue.
Just 777 it, then it always works
Why is the penguin passing a dildo over to the bear in the first pic?
Tried arch today. Didn’t even get to installing it on the partition. Pacman just won’t sync extra repo. No chance of letting reflector do it’s thing. Nobody seemed to have the exact same problem before. Mostly found half- or unanswered threads from before 1876. Gave up after an hour and installed Ubuntu with about 2.5 clicks.
Fuck that penguin. I hope it was delicious.
Skill issue /s.
Rtfm
I use Arch btw
Im just here waiting for the inevitable reverse of this reverse meme. Real question, and maybe its just this extreme luck of mine: have anyone of you guys actually see a significant body of smugly Arch users put it in your face, because I havent seen one but i’ve seen this meme idea for the nth times now. Hiw is this any different from “I use Ubuntu btw”?
I’ve never seen anyone being smug about their distro, but I’ve also never seen a comment where somebody have said they use Ubuntu. Arch on the other hand is everywhere, meme or no meme.
Genuinely, I have only seen mentioning of Arch as the distro they use because they mentioned something arch-specific (e.g pacman) or its actually important to make a distinction (package name), and usually they anticipate the meme anyways because its the butt of the joke now. For me at least it isnt hard to find an equivalent ubuntu/fedora/suse comment, and I think its fine! But why are we fighting this ghost of “Arch is only for edgy guys that want to break their system and be smug about it on the Internet”?
Could also be im tired of seeing this meme everyday now… Linux has a lot more jokes than this guys… Just dig Linus Torvalds’ mailing list for some ideas
I can’t remember the details now, but I tried running Ubuntu on my desktop first but I had trouble with some software not running. Then I tried Arch, and it just worked 🤷♂️
5 years now and it’s still running fine. Any problems I have are fixed with a quick google, and maybe a copy and a paste lol
From what I understand, it usually boils down to user having some modern hardware which has drivers only in recent kernel versions. Since Ubuntu lags behind in Kernel versions, it can be that appropriate drivers for your hardware are simply not there.
For instance Asus-linux community dedicated to using Linux on modern (usually gaming) Asus laptops has a huge Ubuntu warning and recommends Fedora or Arch based distros.
