• davitz@lemmy.ca
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    1 year ago

    The saying never says that you can make 999,999,999.99 honestly. It just says one amount you can make honestly and one amount you can’t. The implication is that the outer limit of what you can make honestly is somewhere in between.

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      1 year ago

      It just says one amount you can make honestly and one amount you can’t. The implication is that the outer limit of what you can make honestly is somewhere in between.

      So what is the amount. How do you justify it - other than “because I said so”?

      I really want to hear how people justify why they think Michael Jordan has made his billions unethically.

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        Majority of his wealth (pre-selling the Hornets) came from Jordans made in sweatshops… I would not call that ethical.

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          Fair enough. What about J K Rowling? (Her politics notwithstanding as it has nothing to do with how she made her fortune.)

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            Thousands of underpaid workers in publishing offices, marketers, delivery drivers, and bookstore workers. Without them JK Rowling makes nothing, but they didn’t get any extra pay from the success of Harry Potter.

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              Thousands of underpaid workers in publishing offices, marketers, delivery drivers, and bookstore workers.

              Really? By that standard, everyone is unethical. I’m quite sure if I dig deep enough I can find something in your job’s supply chain that’s can be considered “unethical” and using your guilt by association logic, you are an unethical person too.

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                Man, I am the underpaid person in my supply chain.

                And its a lot less ethical for people to profit billions off the labour of others than for me to profit a few thousand that I need to eat.

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                  1 year ago

                  Doesn’t matter what you are paid. You can be making a billions or $12/hr, you are still profiting off unethical behavior of others.

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            Merchandizing, which involve exploiting labor in underdeveloped countries, and investments, which involve exploiting the market. Also, it’s not like she personally sold the books, low-wage bookstore employees sold them while she promoted them. Anyway, she would have pulled 10% on the net profit, probably a little more over time, and the total book sales in USD are ~$7.7 billion. So let’s say that’s entirely profit (it’s not), that’s $770 million as of 2017. She allegedly made her first billion in 2005. It literally couldn’t have been from book sales.

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        what is the amount

        There is no amount, how could there be? How could anyone place an exact dollar value on something like this?

        You can’t make a billion dollars honestly, but the exact amount of money that you can make honestly is unknowable, that’s just not the kind of thing that has a hard value on it.

        Matter of fact, i’m not sure if i agree with the original statement anyway, for the same reason: is there literally no way to make a billion dollars honestly? I don’t know that you can make that kind of hard statement

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          You can’t make a billion dollars honestly

          Again, you have no justification for this assertion.

          is there literally no way to make a billion dollars honestly? I don’t know that you can make that kind of hard statement

          Thank you. Exactly my point. Best not to make such statements that you can’t back up and are of questionable soundness.