For example that producing and shipping the pure amount of mass corresponding to the same amount of nutrition in vegan foods vs dairy/meat products is not sustainable, because plant based foods contain so much less nutrition than animal products. You have to level and destroy forest habitats to grow all these things for 10,000,000,000 people… That’s an infant amount of plants.
And a lot of foods that claim to be “good sources of protein” don’t really… contain much else, like meat does. Some are even harmful in large quantities like too much soy in your diet, especially to children.
I dunno, these are things I’ve been told. Just the messenger so take with a grain of salt. But I thought they were interesting points that shouldn’t be ignored and should be disproven before dismissed. I just have too much going on in my life to worry about researching it right now. 😓 But one day maybe!
What do you think? I think this topic is definitely more complicated than “let’s fix/save the world by going vegan”.
Personally… I’d be much more worried about native animal populations if meat is banned. Eg… take away steak at the supermarket, and you might find that people will just start hunting a lot more.
Absolutely. When some species go extinct (deer would effectively be completely destroyed in a year as an example), it has much further ringing effects through other species. At the rates we farm meat at the moment, I doubt “nature” could even supply (let alone “keep up”) for a few years. Then we’ll have knock on effects for a few more years before everything is just unrecoverably screwed.
A lot of people out there cannot do the vegan thing. There are good reasons. Let’s just advocate for a couple of things eat less meat when possible (pick up a salad or something for a couple meals a week. And switch to more sustainable meats when possible, chicken is less ecologically damaging than steak pound for pound as an example.
The weird push for “vegan only” is one that can never work… and in the process of forcing it to work, will likely cause WAY more damage than we’re currently doing, even if we only look at human behaviors.
What are some of these “rebuttals”?
For example that producing and shipping the pure amount of mass corresponding to the same amount of nutrition in vegan foods vs dairy/meat products is not sustainable, because plant based foods contain so much less nutrition than animal products. You have to level and destroy forest habitats to grow all these things for 10,000,000,000 people… That’s an infant amount of plants.
And a lot of foods that claim to be “good sources of protein” don’t really… contain much else, like meat does. Some are even harmful in large quantities like too much soy in your diet, especially to children.
I dunno, these are things I’ve been told. Just the messenger so take with a grain of salt. But I thought they were interesting points that shouldn’t be ignored and should be disproven before dismissed. I just have too much going on in my life to worry about researching it right now. 😓 But one day maybe!
What do you think? I think this topic is definitely more complicated than “let’s fix/save the world by going vegan”.
Personally… I’d be much more worried about native animal populations if meat is banned. Eg… take away steak at the supermarket, and you might find that people will just start hunting a lot more.
And somehow I feel like hunting is better, right? A lot more effort, but better meat, and it could be more of a business than now.
But I can’t even fathom the consequences/ramifications of game-only meat in society. You’re thinking of extinction levels, I assume.
Absolutely. When some species go extinct (deer would effectively be completely destroyed in a year as an example), it has much further ringing effects through other species. At the rates we farm meat at the moment, I doubt “nature” could even supply (let alone “keep up”) for a few years. Then we’ll have knock on effects for a few more years before everything is just unrecoverably screwed.
A lot of people out there cannot do the vegan thing. There are good reasons. Let’s just advocate for a couple of things eat less meat when possible (pick up a salad or something for a couple meals a week. And switch to more sustainable meats when possible, chicken is less ecologically damaging than steak pound for pound as an example.
The weird push for “vegan only” is one that can never work… and in the process of forcing it to work, will likely cause WAY more damage than we’re currently doing, even if we only look at human behaviors.