If America collapses, that would be good. Yes, Russia is trying to make it happen. No, Russia is not good. Yes, it’s still good that Russia is trying to destroy America.
People should not have trust in the American “democracy”. Just because Russia is trying to foment this distrust does not make it ontologically invalid.
Do you have… any idea just how destructive a power vacuum would be created if the United States collapsed?
Like, I get it, America does a lot of bad shit, but you have to consider what its absence would do to the rest of the world. There are more than a few nations that would commit atrocities untold to attain the position of the World’s Sole Superpower.
Not to mention all the ways this cat can get skinned, and the different implications that each end could have:
Does it collapse via internal insurgency? Get ready to have an incredibly unstable North America for a while.
Unprecedented economic recession? It’ll bring down a lot of other western countries with it.
Military coup d’etat? Now you likely have a warhungry autocrat in charge of the most, if not one of the most, powerful militaries to ever exist.
Dissolution via constitutional convention? I can only imagine how that national divorce would go.
Maybe a second Confederacy forms? Be ready for American Civil War II: Nuclear Boogaloo.
Like, I get it, America does a lot of bad shit, but you have to consider what its absence would do to the rest of the world. There are more than a few nations that would commit atrocities untold to attain the position of the World’s Sole Superpower.
Even from a Liberal point of view, the absence of the U.S. would finally allow international bodies - the UN, INTERPOL, the ICC, etc. - to do their jobs and collectively enforce norms in a multipolar world. America does not stop countries from committing atrocities. We can see that in Palestine, Burma, Costa Rica, and the Donbass today. America facilitates atrocities and protects their perpetrators from repercussions.
“If America wasn’t doing it, someone else would” is not a valid argument. It’s the same as a landlord saying “Someone has to landlord, and if it wasn’t me, it’d be someone worse”. It’s lesser-evilism.
Not to mention all the ways this cat can get skinned, and the different implications that each end could have
Various Communist parties have gone through this logical process before. We do not want a violent revolution; reactionaries force this path by continuing to support unjust systems. Ironically, if every person (like you) who thinks “The Communists have some good ideas but I don’t believe in using violence to achieve them” gave the Communists their full support and was willing to use violence to achieve them, the violence would not be necessary. It is the same quandry as the vast majority of Democrats hating Biden and preferring a progressive or Socialist but voting for him anyways because they’ve convinced themselves that he is, somehow, the “stable, electable” candidate. If everyone who was sick of the two-party system just woke up tomorrow and stopped voting for them, we would live in a better world; but when only 10% of people vote for third parties etc., they’re just “spoilers”.
Average lemmy.world take
If America collapses, that would be good. Yes, Russia is trying to make it happen. No, Russia is not good. Yes, it’s still good that Russia is trying to destroy America.
People should not have trust in the American “democracy”. Just because Russia is trying to foment this distrust does not make it ontologically invalid.
Average lemmygrad.ml user
Yes
Do you have… any idea just how destructive a power vacuum would be created if the United States collapsed?
Like, I get it, America does a lot of bad shit, but you have to consider what its absence would do to the rest of the world. There are more than a few nations that would commit atrocities untold to attain the position of the World’s Sole Superpower.
Not to mention all the ways this cat can get skinned, and the different implications that each end could have:
Even from a Liberal point of view, the absence of the U.S. would finally allow international bodies - the UN, INTERPOL, the ICC, etc. - to do their jobs and collectively enforce norms in a multipolar world. America does not stop countries from committing atrocities. We can see that in Palestine, Burma, Costa Rica, and the Donbass today. America facilitates atrocities and protects their perpetrators from repercussions.
“If America wasn’t doing it, someone else would” is not a valid argument. It’s the same as a landlord saying “Someone has to landlord, and if it wasn’t me, it’d be someone worse”. It’s lesser-evilism.
Various Communist parties have gone through this logical process before. We do not want a violent revolution; reactionaries force this path by continuing to support unjust systems. Ironically, if every person (like you) who thinks “The Communists have some good ideas but I don’t believe in using violence to achieve them” gave the Communists their full support and was willing to use violence to achieve them, the violence would not be necessary. It is the same quandry as the vast majority of Democrats hating Biden and preferring a progressive or Socialist but voting for him anyways because they’ve convinced themselves that he is, somehow, the “stable, electable” candidate. If everyone who was sick of the two-party system just woke up tomorrow and stopped voting for them, we would live in a better world; but when only 10% of people vote for third parties etc., they’re just “spoilers”.
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It’s probably an average take because it’s close to being the most correct.