Like, I get it, America does a lot of bad shit, but you have to consider what its absence would do to the rest of the world. There are more than a few nations that would commit atrocities untold to attain the position of the World’s Sole Superpower.
Even from a Liberal point of view, the absence of the U.S. would finally allow international bodies - the UN, INTERPOL, the ICC, etc. - to do their jobs and collectively enforce norms in a multipolar world. America does not stop countries from committing atrocities. We can see that in Palestine, Burma, Costa Rica, and the Donbass today. America facilitates atrocities and protects their perpetrators from repercussions.
“If America wasn’t doing it, someone else would” is not a valid argument. It’s the same as a landlord saying “Someone has to landlord, and if it wasn’t me, it’d be someone worse”. It’s lesser-evilism.
Not to mention all the ways this cat can get skinned, and the different implications that each end could have
Various Communist parties have gone through this logical process before. We do not want a violent revolution; reactionaries force this path by continuing to support unjust systems. Ironically, if every person (like you) who thinks “The Communists have some good ideas but I don’t believe in using violence to achieve them” gave the Communists their full support and was willing to use violence to achieve them, the violence would not be necessary. It is the same quandry as the vast majority of Democrats hating Biden and preferring a progressive or Socialist but voting for him anyways because they’ve convinced themselves that he is, somehow, the “stable, electable” candidate. If everyone who was sick of the two-party system just woke up tomorrow and stopped voting for them, we would live in a better world; but when only 10% of people vote for third parties etc., they’re just “spoilers”.
Even from a Liberal point of view, the absence of the U.S. would finally allow international bodies - the UN, INTERPOL, the ICC, etc. - to do their jobs and collectively enforce norms in a multipolar world. America does not stop countries from committing atrocities. We can see that in Palestine, Burma, Costa Rica, and the Donbass today. America facilitates atrocities and protects their perpetrators from repercussions.
“If America wasn’t doing it, someone else would” is not a valid argument. It’s the same as a landlord saying “Someone has to landlord, and if it wasn’t me, it’d be someone worse”. It’s lesser-evilism.
Various Communist parties have gone through this logical process before. We do not want a violent revolution; reactionaries force this path by continuing to support unjust systems. Ironically, if every person (like you) who thinks “The Communists have some good ideas but I don’t believe in using violence to achieve them” gave the Communists their full support and was willing to use violence to achieve them, the violence would not be necessary. It is the same quandry as the vast majority of Democrats hating Biden and preferring a progressive or Socialist but voting for him anyways because they’ve convinced themselves that he is, somehow, the “stable, electable” candidate. If everyone who was sick of the two-party system just woke up tomorrow and stopped voting for them, we would live in a better world; but when only 10% of people vote for third parties etc., they’re just “spoilers”.