Finally The gulf belongs to the whole American country. Not just those Mexican cartels
Hahaha I thought Google was benevolently collecting my personal data for my own good. I consented right? /s
Osmand+ still gulf of mexico… Just sayin.
Google has the ability to stand up to trump. To destroy him, frankly.
But they’d have to not be little bitches, so I guess they don’t.
IIRC Google shows different names and borders depending on the location you’re accessing it from. They just follow whatever the local government thinks is right.
Slow your horses there partner. That sounds an awful lot like facts and logic. We don’t do that stuff here, so quit using that brain of yours. Take the outrage bait and join in on this circlejerk.
Yes, big international companies bowing down to local authoritarian governments… nothing outrageous going on there in the world. This definitely hasn’t helped dictators remain in power or target citizens, jerk away!
Use that logic to form sarcastic, misconstrued, and dangerous viewpoints and throw facts out the window! How fun!
Lad. Google has always done this.
You access Google maps from different locations and you’ll see names and border changes.
Because, and this might surprise a sheltered yanks such as yourself. There’s a whole world outside your borders, and different cultures call different locations different names.
You guys have got way bigger fish to fry than this.
Live in the south Bud, your yank shit can go out the window. We have bigger fish to fry than the worlds largest company that influences elections and controls our data and produces algorithm’s to ensure our behavior?
The point is Google has always done this shit, just because someones been pissing in your cornflakes every morning doesn’t mean you can’t get upset when they eat asparagus. Or better yet, maybe care they’re pissing in your shit to begin with?
It’s not about “bigger fish to fry”, ain’t no one frying fish in this fucker. We’re just talking and spreading awareness, idk wtf you’re doing here besides complaining about people being aware (this is a degoogle community after all).
(this is a degoogle community after all).
And there’s way more important thing to complain about when it comes to Google then something as routine as this.
The only thing you are spreading awareness about, is how sheltered you are.
This same thing has been done for the Persian/Arabian Gulf, something that I can’t help be suspicious that it’s never been brought up.
Holy hell, talk about projection with your sheltered remarks. Did you try searching for persian arabian gulf before commenting? “I haven’t seen anyone complaining about one thing, so no one should be complaining about this thing.” You’re seriously saying this?
“I deem anyone not agreeing with me as a sheltered yank, I am definitely not a sheltered southerner with a bias”
I wish I could actually add anything to this conversation but your last response was just a “nuh uh!” with more insults sprinkled in (I guess to make you feel better about yourself? how’s that going?). You’ve wasted time proclaiming this is a waste of time. Glad you got bigger fish to fry, can’t wait for what great subject we should be focusing on with our comments.
I guess everyone would benefit from seeing your comment history and all the great fish frying you’re doing. Us plebs talking about such mundane things is such a waste since you’ve highlighted it for the community. I imagine there’s a whole plethora of comments you made about Google that will help lead us into a better future.
Typical sheltered yank. Only complaining when something affects you.
great subject we should be focusing on with our comments
Something actually relevant to Google? And not standard operating procedure.
I would hate to see what would happen when you learn about how Google maps handles all the disputed borders in the world.
You’re right. No more braining!
In Portugal, it appears as “Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)”
In Germany, it is still “Golf von Mexiko”.
Edit: when you zoom in, it is the same as in Portugal.
That has to be illegal…
Same in Canada.
There’s no thought in our government, so they’re already messing that one up. Also, it’s just the president who cares (and I guess some people who voted for him), I’d imagine a majority of people here aren’t calling it the new name (or even know the name changed).
I’ve always heard locals just call it “the Gulf.”
Organic Maps is still keeping it real for me
This move makes zero sense to me. Why, change it? It’s not it’s official name or international recognized name so wtf
Should look up what they want to rename Greenland
SMH… Red, White and Blue-land…
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/1161
It could be simply because they can do it, peasant
Thayana good point. I need to remember my place in this world 🤣
pleasing the power, so they remove any law that protect our privacy against google prying eye
Curry favor with the trump admin
To be clear, they’ve changed names in line with official government policy before, not just for Trump’s admin.
Yeah but that makes too much sense for emotional & reactional people that don’t rely on logic
I get what you’re saying, but the renaming itself is entirely an act of emotion and reaction, with no trace of logic, too. It’s pretty much all we should expect to see from anyone for a while.
They are a private organization with the right to say “lol that’s nice”, and leave it as the gulf of mexico. Executive orders direct government policy.
If something as ridiculous currys favor and infkuence with Trump the USA is truly coming to an end.
I’ll remind you of freedom fries.
It’s not coming to an end as in no longer existing, but it absolutely is as a world power. Maybe it will be for the better in the long run.
And it will undoubtedly pay off for them. This is the first brazenly tech oligarchy-driven administration.
Remember who was at Trump’s inauguration? Musk, obviously, but also:
- Tim Cook, CEO of Apple
- Jeff Bezos, CEO of Amazon
- Mark Zuckerberg, CEO of Meta
- Sundar Pichai, CEO of Alphabet
.
Trump, a populist president, is flanked by tech billionaires at his inaugurationTim Apple isn’t your friend, either. No oligarch is.
I was hoping Apple wouldn’t be there considering Tim is openly gay
He donated to Trump right from his pockets. He’s a traitor.
Openly gay, but secretly a billionaire.
And clarence thomas is black.
I think I heard that Trump did it because he thinks it gets him around some Biden era rule that he can’t reverse that bans oil drilling in parts of the “Gulf of Mexico.” It’s really stupid. Exxon and Chevron have both “acknowledged” the name change.
Oh that makes sense. Like when muskrat tried to get out of Twitter suis because the name changed.
Then you must not be paying much attention, or have an understanding of how capitalism functions (nor of how and why it inevitably decays in to fascism).
The USA is now part of a list of “sensitive countries” with authoritarian states with their own version of reality. When users in one of the countries on this list visit Google sites, they see that government’s version of reality. This is nothing new. Google does it all the time with disputed territories. It’s only news because it’s the first time the US has an authoritarian government.
Here’s how it looks when visiting from a Mexican device with the language set to Australian English while located in Hungary.
Edit: undoxxed myself lol
In Google maps set to Polish while in the UK, it shows
Zatoka Meksykańska (Zatoka Amerykańska)
Which translates to
Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)
Google maps set to Danish in Denmark is the exact same 🤦♂️
…looks pretty much the same on bing maps, except they’re so committed that they named it twice…
Distraction from:
- closing down the Consumer Protection Agency, USAID, and the Education Agency
- cutting off funding to the universities
- stealing our student, treasury and health records while taking over the purse
- not following federal judge’s orders
- building an unregulated concentration camp in Cuba
- etc.
Edit: That’s why trump did it. All tech companies are in his hands now.
No, there are no smokescreens. Trump is literally this stupid. Don’t attribute to maliciousness what can be attributed to narcissism.
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to post this somewhere else:
“The opposition party is the media,” Steve Bannon, who helped run Trump’s 2016 campaign, told PBS Frontline five years ago. “And the media can only — because they’re dumb and they’re lazy — they can only focus on one thing at a time.”
So the solution, per Bannon? Overwhelm them.
“All we have to do is flood the zone,” he said. “Every day we hit them with three things. They’ll bite on one, and we’ll get all of our stuff done, bang, bang, bang. These guys will never — will never be able to recover. But we’ve got to start with muzzle velocity.”
https://www.npr.org/2025/02/07/nx-s1-5289315/trump-week-in-review
Even in the UK they have put Gulf of America.
The UK Government doesn’t recognize that name and have officially stated they wont
I live in the US and I won’t recognize the name either.
…what name?..
Trump signed an executive order renaming the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America. Executive orders aren’t laws, they’re just memos stating what the federal government will do. Google decided to bend the knee for the new king.
For U.S. Google Map users only, the body of water formerly known as the Gulf of Mexico will now appear as the Gulf of America when using the navigational service.
The change comes just several weeks after President Donald Trump signed an executive order for the gulf to be renamed and on Sunday declared February 9 was officially Gulf of America Day.
Following the order, Google stated that it has a longstanding practice of implementing name changes when done by official government sources.
UK should sue them…
It’s the same in every language, or at least in russian and french.
Everyone should report it as bug.
Lmfao, as if Keith would dare stand up to a mega corporation, or a fascist for that matter… I give it a week, at absolute most.
I’m trying to, but Proton made me throw up in my mouth a little.
Now I have the option to do everything I was doing, but poorly AND spread across 3 vendors.
What’s wrong with proton? It works pretty well for me.
True, works fine.
Then they said they didn’t log IP’s then handed over one of their users IP’s that got an activist locked up.
There there was the bootlicking incident (it’s a paywall but you get the gist before it disappears)
https://theintercept.com/2025/01/28/proton-mail-andy-yen-trump-republicans/
He praised Trump publically, not a great look, but whatever, then tried to say he was not being political, while being even more political. His PR department swooped in to Reddit and started posting straw man attacks. I don’t trust their CEO at this point. If it were any other just email company, I’d be down with it, but their whole schtick is security and privacy, and apparently, they’re led by an idiot.
If I’m taking my shit out of google, I’m not taking to some place that’s positioned to be more of the same if I can help it, and they really appear to be more of the same.
Ah alright. I personally don’t care that much about the CEOs political opinions as long as that isn’t reflected in the business itself.
I had to look for more information on the IP logging thing since I didn’t know much about it. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/09/privacy-focused-protonmail-provided-a-users-ip-address-to-authorities/
Personally I don’t think it’s that bad. It was absolutely misleading but not a lie.
I mostly care about no logging policies when it comes to VPN and as long as the content of the emails are encrypted/not logged, I don’t mind that much.
I think you absolutely should care about the political opinions of the CEO considering it’s a private company and the CEO most likely gets to dictate the political leaning of the company. It’s not like Twitter turned to shit simply because Musk bought it. It turned to shit because (among other things) Musk made business decisions based on his political opinions.
You could argue you don’t need to care because their political opinions aren’t influencing their business right now, but don’t you think it might be a bit too late to care when the business starts to reflect the politics of the CEO? For example if tomorrow Trumps wants to know the contents of your email and the CEO decides to appease Trump you might start to care about the political h
CEO went full maga, was given an opportunity to correct, then doubled down. After receiving blowback he tripled down and then started lashing out at customers using official channels.
After receiving blowback he tripled down and then started lashing out at customers using official channels.
damn, i only followed the dramma for the first couple posts, do you mind posting a link to read the third one?
I’m not sure if this covers everything, I don’t have access to Reddit. https://sh.itjust.works/post/31843393
Use Posteo, amazing company and business model
CEO publicly praised Trump and the Republican party. It’s not the political alignment you’d want from the CEO of a service where privacy is their main selling-point.
Next thing you know they’ll change Canada’s name to Not-yet-United States of America
I will continue deadnaming the gulf with the name assigned at birth. It’s just going through a phase.
It probably had names before but what did the Mayans call it?
Apparently…
The Maya referred to the Gulf as Chactemal, meaning “the red place,” likely referencing the reddish hues of the water at sunset or its fertile coastlines. Indigenous names were often descriptive, reflecting geographical features or spiritual beliefs tied to the environment. Unfortunately, much of this indigenous nomenclature was lost or overwritten during European colonization.
Link. I’m sure there are better ones. Hard to find good sources.
Can someone explain the 4D chess going on here? AFAIK this was just tweet diplomacy, the US hasn’t passed anything about this. So why would google want to handle all the complaints and backlash they’ll take for this?
backlash? where? did google received any complaint ever?
From official heads of state even: https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/mexico-president-presents-letter-google-about-gulf-mexico-name-change-2025-01-30/
So why would google want to handle all the complaints and backlash they’ll take for this?
Because it’s worth getting on trump’s “good side”, per Ajit Pai’s reasoning
I think something official was actually signed in the last few days. Dumbest timeline.
Australia google maps user here:
To be fair:
I’m American and my phone is set up in the US with region being the US.
For me it’s extra strange. If I zoom out, I see “Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)”. However when I zoom in it changes to just “Guild of America”.
I’m American also in the US.
If you zoom in to 1m resolution and then slowly zoom out, you’ll see the name change back and forth several times. Very odd.
So it’s as stable as our government right now?
You have to zoom in sooo much too for it to say Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America). Weird. Makes no sense why Google would do this except to schmooze up to Little-Hands Trump.
It’s the same for europeans, just in a different language.
Time for a repeat comment: Organic Maps does everything Google Maps does (except traffic conditions), and is FOSS. Please encourage places to contribute business information to Open Street Maps.
“Except traffic” is not a little thing. It’s like putting up an ad for a house with all the features you’d expect, except a roof.
With my daily commute, there are a dozen routes I can take and traffic conditions make it so that from day to day, there can be an hour difference between different routes. It’s literally the only reason I use navigation apps over a cheap GPS unit with no live online connection requirement to navigate.
Traffic condition can only be provided if you track millions of phones. I don’t want that, so I opt out. I don’t want Google to manage traffic for me.
Or you can do it like News stations do and just use a fucking camera feed and police acanner to have someone say “hey - there’s a lot of cars at Interstate 99 and Main” or “There’s reports of a wreck at 300 Elm street”.
Traffic reporting doesn’t require device-level tracking.
to have someone
In order to do this at scale, that’s a lot of someones who all need to be paid. You’d need several people, per city, to manually review traffic cameras and manually issue reports.
Unless you want to pay $200/mo for traffic updates, you can’t do this using humans.
Growing up, we had 5 TV stations and 20 radio stations that managed to do it just off of cereal advertisements. I’d gladly pay 5 bucks a month for it, and with millions of people in the metro area just having 1% of people use a $5/month service you’d be looking at 6 figures a month, which is plenty to pay for the service.
The only way to know if it would work would be to roll the dice and make a startup. You’ll need enough cash to cover a year or two of projected operations, the capital to develop the application and infrastructure in addition to the money required to advertise the service.
At the same time you have to realize that your proposition for potential customers is ‘You can pay us $5 to get the service that Google gives you for free and it only works in this one metro area.’ De-googling is a popular topic on nerd social media but the average person would gladly trade all of their privacy to pay less money.
If we could magic wand a company into existence and capture all of the privacy focused customer base in a large metro area then yeah, the company could pay the operating expenses. But going from ‘This is a cool idea’ to ‘We have a successful service that has a positive cash flow’ is a hard, capital intensive, process.
I think this is important. That said, traffic info is the whole ballgame for many people. People who live, work, and drive in metro areas frequently use map applications even when driving everyday routes to avoid traffic.
I don’t see Google/Waze/Apple maps getting any less popular unless there is a FOSS alternative that includes live traffic, which does not seem possible while remaining free. People will choose free every time, especially since Google maps works so well.
Personally, I would pay some amount for a privacy-minded alternative, something like OrganicMaps with live traffic. But I doubt it could ever attain the user base it would need to provide accurate traffic info.
Yea, I really wish I had more spare time. Algorithms like this are an area of expertise for me, and I’d love to build an anonymized service that works with Organic Maps. It’s annoying when I know it is something I could make that would support high volume, but just don’t have time for (mainly because of all the ongoing optimization it would require).
Talking about FOSS; I prefer OsmAnd because its licence is GPLv3, as opposed to the Apache 2 licence from Organic Maps.
Yup, big OsmAnd fan, too. We use it for backpacking and biking, but have found OM to be more driver friendly, which is why I recommended it here.
