This would imply that they’re not surrounded by other pots filled with water which is (varying degrees of) boiling. We don’t really have a Socialist Utopia meeting spot, let’s say.
Beyond that, eloping requires a not insignificant amount of money (as a Romanian, I can say that homes/apartments aren’t cheap here, either, and we’re not exactly L.A.)
And at the other end of the line, immigration’s not exactly thought of with fondness, even in Europe. Don’t forget, we’re stewing in our own pot even if the heat’s still relatively tolerable.
This is a problem I’m having now with my boyfriend. I want to get out of the US and he says, “Where? Everywhere’s falling to fascism right now. And it’s hard and expensive to emigrate.” It doesn’t help that he also thinks it’s not worth it to think about leaving until the water’s actually boiling and he has verified it.
Your boyfriend is right. Unless one of you has an in-demand technical degree or a lot of money, immigration to Western countries is going to be out of reach. That leaves you with weakened economies which are either already authoritarian, or trending authoritarian. Even if you could get to a place like Europe, far-right parties emboldened by their new U.S. support are rising in popularity and receiving centrist support in places like France and Germany.
There is no green field to relax in while the rest of the world collapses. You’ll have to fight to prevent the slide to fascism wherever you go.
True - it’s the rising tide right now and probably for humanity’s future since we’re on a sinking ship globally. I do have the benefit of working for a global company and a boss who’s already told me I can transfer to whichever country I pick that they operate in. But he’s not as optimistic for his own job needs, and it’s still about choosing a country that could possibly just let us die in peace before it also goes to shit.
Yeah most people were like “I’m moving to Canada!” Ignoring the fact that the person most likely to be PM in a couple months is also fully a Musk shill. Europe is pushing right-wing and the UK’s been down bad for a while. Maybe Australia or New Zealand?
The Scandanavian countries currently look the safest to me. I think Iceland would be nearly ideal, in a lot of ways. but I worry that they may be annexed by one of the larger powers as things get uglier.
Yes I was gonna say Scandinavian countries too but I have heard of a lot of institutional and general racism there (although where isn’t there that right now…). Probably still a top choice though when it comes to run of the mill racism vs full on Nazis I guess.
This would imply that they’re not surrounded by other pots filled with water which is (varying degrees of) boiling. We don’t really have a Socialist Utopia meeting spot, let’s say.
Beyond that, eloping requires a not insignificant amount of money (as a Romanian, I can say that homes/apartments aren’t cheap here, either, and we’re not exactly L.A.)
And at the other end of the line, immigration’s not exactly thought of with fondness, even in Europe. Don’t forget, we’re stewing in our own pot even if the heat’s still relatively tolerable.
This is a problem I’m having now with my boyfriend. I want to get out of the US and he says, “Where? Everywhere’s falling to fascism right now. And it’s hard and expensive to emigrate.” It doesn’t help that he also thinks it’s not worth it to think about leaving until the water’s actually boiling and he has verified it.
Your boyfriend is right. Unless one of you has an in-demand technical degree or a lot of money, immigration to Western countries is going to be out of reach. That leaves you with weakened economies which are either already authoritarian, or trending authoritarian. Even if you could get to a place like Europe, far-right parties emboldened by their new U.S. support are rising in popularity and receiving centrist support in places like France and Germany.
There is no green field to relax in while the rest of the world collapses. You’ll have to fight to prevent the slide to fascism wherever you go.
True - it’s the rising tide right now and probably for humanity’s future since we’re on a sinking ship globally. I do have the benefit of working for a global company and a boss who’s already told me I can transfer to whichever country I pick that they operate in. But he’s not as optimistic for his own job needs, and it’s still about choosing a country that could possibly just let us die in peace before it also goes to shit.
Yeah most people were like “I’m moving to Canada!” Ignoring the fact that the person most likely to be PM in a couple months is also fully a Musk shill. Europe is pushing right-wing and the UK’s been down bad for a while. Maybe Australia or New Zealand?
The Scandanavian countries currently look the safest to me. I think Iceland would be nearly ideal, in a lot of ways. but I worry that they may be annexed by one of the larger powers as things get uglier.
Yes I was gonna say Scandinavian countries too but I have heard of a lot of institutional and general racism there (although where isn’t there that right now…). Probably still a top choice though when it comes to run of the mill racism vs full on Nazis I guess.
he’s not wrong…