• albigu@lemmygrad.mlOP
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      To be allowed to migrate and seek asylum because the people don’t want to die in the front for a piece of land? That’s exactly what I would want if it were me. Would you want to be conscripted for forced labour with the risk of getting sent to the front lines because of some war you don’t want to be part of? And if you say “they definitely want to be part of it,” then explain why the draft and conscription are needed in the first place.

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        No, I didn’t ask what “you would want”. I mean I want a million dollars, but wanting things is easy.

        I asked what should they do? What should their country do?

        What would you do if you were their absolute ruler? Surrender?

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          Well, if they’re democratic they should let the people (in which case my self-insert would apply) decide what to do. But a reasonable government could, for example, negotiate an immediate ceasefire and acquiesce to the winning side’s demands to prevent further bloodshed. Or it could grab teenagers off the street and tentative migrants and send them to their deaths. Obviously, I already know that the Ukrainian government and their NATO allies prefer the latter, but we shouldn’t pretend there weren’t other options.

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          What would you do if you were their absolute ruler? Surrender?

          Well, yes? Assuming I give even half a fuck about people’s lives, I’d prefer a negotiated peace instead of this shitshow any day. Russia’s demands aren’t even that hard to meet, they’re just dragging this out for profit at this point.

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              I usually don’t spring that one on them because I’m pretty sure that a lot of Ukraine enjoyers don’t actually know about the Donbas war. It’d be a while to explain, so I try to meet them in the middle a bit, but yes, that would have been the absolute best decision back in 2014.

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      It’s a lemmygrad stooge. He wants them to drop their weapons, be slaughtered and raped by the glorious army of the tzar, and have Ukraine be given up as a tribute to the new Russian empire. The world has allowed past Russian rulers to slaughter millions before, why not now?

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          Must have hit pretty close to the mark to get you all worked up there, sweetheart.

          Enjoy watching Mother Russia get decimated by secondhand weapons that were mothballed in a wearhouse. Slava Ukraini!

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            Enjoy watching Mother Russia get decimated by secondhand weapons that were mothballed in a wearhouse.

            Please don’t deny reality just because it’s uncomfortable to your genocidal desires.

            Russia has been holding strong to the land for about an year now, and it seems the Ukrainian counter-offensive didn’t work as advertised. Nobody should be enjoying anything in this war, including your imagined situation of Russian obliteration, but thankfully that is only your sadistic thoughts and not reality. This war needs to end ASAP, or what we will actually see is just even more of what we’re already seeing, a lot of suffering and death of both Russians and Ukrainians (but mostly Ukrainians) for absolutely nothing.

          • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.ml
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            the fact that you likely genuinely believe what you wrote makes it all the more hilarious, thanks for confirming that your brain is truly as smooth as a bowling ball

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        It doesn’t really matter who it is. I want to hear what he thinks a smart idea would be, from him.

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          Even though we don’t agree on these things, I think that’s a nice thing of you to say. Thanks!