• silvercove@lemdro.id
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    I experience the opposite. Whenever I criticise US government, I get attacked by hordes of cringy Americans.

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      I must say I had a pleasant conversation on workers’ rights in the US recently on c/technology (lemmy.world). By pleasant I mean “not being insulted because I live in France and workers do have rights so I’m a red commie” pleasant.

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        For the majority of Americans, as long as you are a pleasant person, you will have pleasant conversations, even if it’s about a disagreement.

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          A. This leads to politeness fetishists and tone policing. If someone says something offensive like “we should remove LGBT+ books from schools,” I’d rather shoot myself than speak nicely to that person.

          B. This has not been my experience with my fellow Americans at all. I even saw a mod from lemmy.world post mod-flaired horseshit in their politics community about how “The US is not a racist country.” Fuck that.

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              Your instance is literally swarming with liberal transplants from reddit, so now you’re just being disingenuous.

              I live in the midwest, and I’m surrounded by polite fascists. Fuck politeness, and fuck this racist nation.

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                  If they have dogshit opinions about LGBTQIA people or immigrants to begin with, what’s rudeness on their part going to do? Lol

                  Their opinions and lives already lack any value.

                  Edit: Just noticed this guy moderates a community filled with bigots that engage in frequent use of an ableist slur, so it looks like this clown is referring to people like himself. “I may be an unhinged bigot, but at least I’m polite so I win!” Just the type of person I’m talking about.

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                    Lmao you don’t know even know what you’re arguing against. I never said anything about whether you should be polite, I just said that if you’re going to be a cunt you can’t complain about people being cunts back

                    Also if you did 5 minutes of research you’d see that c/[email protected] doesn’t allow any kind of hate speech, there are no slurs in any of the comments, and our most recent post removal was because of ableist and racial slurs. But go off I guess

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          Hi from the autistic guy that is physically unable to understand the rules of „politeness“ and burns out while pathetically trying to mimic them just to look like a creep anyway.

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          How can we have a pleasant conversation about the murders the American soldiers are committing in the Middle East? How does one be pleasant about murder?

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      is there any chance you are doing it while spouting Kremlin propaganda? because then there is maybe a time to look in the mirror on this one

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        Anyone that disagrees with the US government is spouting Kremlin propaganda. Riiiiight…

        You are a joke.

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          Anyone that disagrees with the US government is spouting Kremlin propaganda. Riiiiight…

          I mean, if you take what I said and completely change it, I can see why you might be upset at that. Though I would encourage you to reply to what I actually said.

          You are a joke.

          I am indeed a very funny guy, it’s a bit creepy that you know that though.

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              goes on an anti-tankie post Comments that his posts are always dogpilled by the most anti-tankie group. Claims ad hominem when someone points it out.

              :)

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                Is it wrong to engage in a conversation with people we disagree with?

                Would you rather have us segregate based on our opinions?

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              I merely posited that you might be getting into arguments because you have drank the Kremlin propaganda, but from your posts I see it’s more that youblike to defend the Chinese government for some reason or at least like to do “a Whatabout the USA”

              also I am not sure you ubderstand what ad hominem is, it’s attacking the person saying it rather what the person is saying, if I were to say “you are spouting Kremlin propaganda” would be the exact opposite since I would be “attacking” what you are saying not who you are.

              hope that helps

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                A lot of americans and some other westerners always assume that anyone who disagrees with them must be infected with Russian/Chinese/(insert bogeyman) propaganda.

                Whereas the truth is that the Western civilization is on a murder spree and the rest of us who are not Westerners are disgusted by it.

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          More than one thing can be wrong at the same time. The constant whataboutism is exhausting…

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            The constant whataboutism is exhausting…

            whataboutism is what hypocrites say when challenged.

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            The only thing exhausting is people using whataboutism to make false equivalents and avoid genuine discussion. People are subjected to orders of magnitude more US propaganda than Russian propaganda, and it clearly has a much greater effect on public opinion. Thanks to people being indoctrinated into US propaganda, they dismiss legitimate problems as fictional Russian propaganda. The fact that you can’t comprehend this illustrates the problem perfectly.

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          Imagine thinking any large state isn’t constantly injecting propaganda into the Internet. Couldn’t be me.

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              What I said was that people in the west are subjected to orders of magnitude of western propaganda, and perhaps should worry about that first.

              I’m capable of worrying about two things. Perhaps even three on a good day.

              Chomsky even pointed out recently that censorship in the west now is even worse than it was in USSR.

              Media being bad because capitalism pushes them to do evil to further their own ends is not the same thing as censorship enforced with state violence. These are both bad things, but uniquely bad in their own ways. I’m sad that Chomsky’s age has caught up to him and he can no longer distinguish the two.

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                I’m capable of worrying about two things. Perhaps even three on a good day.

                press x to doubt

                Media being bad because capitalism pushes them to do evil to further their own ends is not the same thing as censorship enforced with state violence. These are both bad things, but uniquely bad in their own ways. I’m sad that Chomsky’s age has caught up to him and he can no longer distinguish the two.

                It’s incredible that somebody could be so deplorably ignorant to think that US doesn’t enforce censorship with state violence. US tortured Manning and is currently having UK torture Assange for revealing US war crimes. Chapter 10 in this book gives lots of examples of political repression in US where activists have been harassed, arrested, and even assassinated by the state https://archive.org/details/DemocracyForTheFew16147062951821

                The only thing you should be sad about is your own ignorance. Maybe instead of claiming that Chomsky can’t distinguish things you should learn about what your regime actually does. Just a thought.

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                  When people talk about censorship, they usually mean of media. Yes, I’m aware that the US government is an evil institution that targets activists and whistleblowers. You’ll never believe me, but I actually despise my government and nearly every person in it. However, authoritarian regimes also strike down those people, but additionally censor the media on top of it. So to say that state censorship is worse here and now is just asinine. There’s no need to make things up to seem worse than they are when they’re already very bad, it just leads to people swinging at ghosts.

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                    Every government is authoritarian by its very nature. The government derives authority from having monopoly on legalized violence. The only reason there is the illusion of freedom of speech is due to the fact that mainstream views are carefully curated. Any ideas that are seen as a threat are eliminated just as ruthlessly in the west as anywhere else. Entire books have been written on this subject.

                    Nobody is making anything up here. The reality is that state censorship in the west is no different from the countries you consider authoritarian, the only difference is that it’s dressed up in a way that’s palatable to western public. In fact, it could be argued that governments in places like China are simply more honest with their public. They’re explicit regarding what ideas they reject while the west uses sophistry to create an illusion of freedoms that don’t translate into anything tangible.

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      Little do people know everyone is shit and your personality that is only based on ideologies makes you look like a moron. Yes we know there is unfairness in the world. But any “ism” won’t fix it.

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        Yeah you’re right shits fucked so let’s just accept the status quo, oh would you look at that you’re just supporting the current oppressive system.
        Being a centrist or “apolotical” is just being a conservative while still being able to fuck

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        Little do people know everyone is shit

        People who say this think they’re being world-wise when they’re actually just putting out a general warning about themselves

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            I do mean it positively, but I can understand why you would get a negative reading. I was trying to illustrate how reducing words to their components and dismissing them like that is such a stupid thought terminating cliche. Botulism, anarchism, autism, midwesternism, descriptivism are all words ending in -ism but really do not refer to similar or comparable things. The deeper idea that subscribing to or employing an ideology inherently leads to failure, which the original comment asserted, has already been torn to shreds by others, so I targeted the less important but more annoying failure of thought. I should have more carefully selected my words, sorry.

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        “Yes we know absolute monarchs, unequal access to justice, oppression and the dumb wars they get us into are unfair, but no ‘democracism’ will fix it”

        It takes a very basic knowledge of history to understand why this argument is shit.