President Joe Biden address the nation Thursday from the White House vowing a peaceful transfer of power. He said he congratulated Donald Trump on winning the election and also spoke with Vice President Harris.
You’re old, straight, white and rich, motherfucker – YOU’RE going to be “ok.” Everyone else is fucked.
Mildly? I’m radicalized as fuck. This is the most infuriating shit. Fucken useless ass democrats are only good at constructing elaborate and expensive footguns. They couldn’t read the fucken room and hear people screaming for any change at all.
I’ve changed man, since then. I don’t know how I feel about the Democrats, but I’m devastated over who voted Republican. So many people in this country voted for him. It wasn’t just we had low turnout, but also just that he had so much. That’s the disheartening thing for me, that still, with everything we know, he still carries 50% of this country easily. So yeah, we had too few, but worse, he has too many.
Right? I found pre-election solace in knowing that even though his cult will never turn on him, he couldn’t have possibly gotten MORE supporters in the past 4 years.
Turns out they LOVE the hate and they want more of it.
Sorry, Mindless Americans, it’s not Trump’s fault anymore, it’s YOURS.
That’s what I’ve come around to. It’s not him. He’s a figurehead that we apply blame but it’s not. It’s the people - the public. They want this. They have the fear and the hate, they actively want it. If America didn’t want him, they wouldn’t have voted him in. Even with tampering/whatever, if America didn’t, he wouldn’t be there. But America does want him, and that’s a very sobering and sad thought to me. I try to live with a simple code - do what you want, as long as it doesn’t hurt others. I learned yesterday that most American’s don’t have similar values.
IMO that’s way off base. People want change. They know they’re getting screwed, and the grifter is promising change. He’s lying and I think most people know that, but the fact that they’d take a convicted felon over what the DNC offered up is a crushing repudiation.
Bernie would’ve mopped the floor with Trump, because he also offers change. Someone like Obama would’ve too, even though there was a paucity of actual change during his terms.
We need to drag the DNC kicking and screaming off of the corporate dick it’s sucking, and get it left enough to offer real change, and people will vote for it in droves.
Part of me blames the collective memory loss of the COVID years and a complete lack of understanding of cause and effect.
It’s like everyone forgot there was this massive global pandemic which absolutely killed entire industries. And even though the important parts were propped up during the lean times by government support, that support ended eventually, with the economy still a mess that couldn’t just be put back together like nothing happened.
I mean, people at that time didn’t even have a concept of what was going on. They have no idea how much money was spent keeping the lights on. People lost their shit over the billions it would cost to forgive student loans, but had no idea how many more billions were already spent on—and abused by—businesses whose pandemic loans were forgiven by the government.
Everyone forgot the pandemic was only as bad as it was in the US because it was so completely mishandled by the Trump administration. We could have had everything back to normal a lot sooner if there was even a little bit of national preparedness, not to mention if we didn’t have all the misinformation spread by his own administration.
So when the economy went to shit in 2021-2022 during the Biden administration, people shrugged their shoulders and put the blame on the old man in the white house, despite the fact that it’s been on a recovery trend during this last year. And so Trump’s first year is going to start with stronger markets, he’ll get the credit, and then things will get worse just in time for someone else to take the blame for it.
Do you have figures that include 2024? That data seems to stop at 2021. Not saying you’re wrong but the picture being painted is just Biden’s first year as president during the height of the pandemic.
Comparing things like rates of inflation and the consumer price index, we see the numbers drop dramatically within the past two years, which seems to have been improving cost of living somewhat (or, ruining less quickly, at least) for the average American, though there is still a lot more to be done.
He will bring lots of change. None of it good, but the DNC should view that as a crushing repudiation of their approach. They can’t even blame the Electoral College, they fucked up that badly. Hopefully they’ll learn a goddamn thing or two and run someone offering positive change.
It was incredibly hard to fight the constant youtube and tiktok right-wing extremism that they’ve been fed. They’ve been taught to hate women and minorities so much that they vote for literal Hitler.
If you’re just some dude, and you’ve got youtubers saying “you matter and you’re cool” on the one hand, and “cis white men suck #KillAllMen”, what do you think you’d be attracted to? That’s a generalization of course, but identity politics has got to go. We need more of this aesthetic on the left:
Not that exact poster obviously, but we need something that gives people a vision of the future and makes it cool. Until that happens, get ready for more Trump and his ilk.
Apparently people see him as the strongman lesser evil who’s gonna bring back economy, “fix” illegal immigration (both of which the current administration has done), and keep status quo on energy and abortion. I blame the Democrats for not campaigning on their successes.
The food scarcity percentage (sometimes or often not being able to afford groceries) is down 1%, but yeah it might not be noticeable. I don’t think Harris’s campaign did anything substantial on the other economic stuff, though. In trying to campaign a message of change, it seems like they neglected their incumbent successes and failed at both.
I’ve tried talking to trumpers to point out the double standards, contradictions, and outright lies. They don’t listen, just ad hominem or whatabout out of it.
The research is out, more educated people are more likely to vote Democrat, but if you ever point that out, all you get back is “I know YOU are, but what am I?”
I’ve tried talking and that doesn’t work, I’ve also tried being kind and all that shit no dice. But everyone gets upset when I say let’s shoot them, so please tell me more about how it’s my fault.
At least 1930s Germans could say their cizenry didn’t vote for Hitler. We Americans can’t say the same. I’m so ashamed of snd angry at my fellow Americans.
The media completely failed at their job of informing the public.
A democracy requires an informed citizenry, and the US media over the past eight years in particular created an increasingly misinformed citizenry.
When people are more concerned that a trans girl might play on a softball team than that the climate crisis might profoundly devastate the biosphere and much of life on it, human and otherwise, for the next 10,000 years, the media has failed. When people worry about crime when it is low, an economy when it is thriving and immigrants when they do much of the hard work that sustains that economy and commit fewer crimes than the native-born, the media has failed.
When it came to Donald Trump, they went easy on him, and they again and again let him and the far right set the agenda. They constantly treated asymmetrical issues as symmetrical ones – if the Democrats resisted Republican outrages, both sides were “polarized”. In the media everything had two sides, even if one side was the truth and the other was the lie, one side was the human rights or the law and the other side was their violation.
They went soft on Trump’s criminality and incompetence, and his sheer volume of scandals meant that the past ones were forgotten as the next one erupted. He would not have won his 2016 minority victory had the US news media adequately conveyed that Trump was not the fun fictional character in the reality TV show The Apprentice; he was a serially bankrupt man repeatedly accused of sexual assault with a lot of criminal ties and a history of not paying his bills, being helped on by the Vladimir Putin regime, which had itself seriously corrupted the information environment of the election.
Or maybe what media thinks their job is isn’t what you think it should be. Maybe the media is deliberately promoting fascism for profit, has become our enemy, and needs to be destroyed.
Some extracts from a great comment from another user on lemmy (readfanon). I’ll paste this here since some people seem to think that the Democrats did nothing wrong and it is the “left” voters who failed them :
1-You are chasing the DNC to the right and one day you will wake up and wonder to yourself “How did I end up all the way over here?” I’m not following you into that marsh but you’re welcome to go into it yourself, just don’t get upset at me when I point out what you’re heading into and don’t get angry when I refuse to blindly follow you.
2-Historically, fascism has never been stopped at the ballot box. You being convinced that this is possible does not sway my opinion on any matter aside from my estimation of your political awareness and your ability to achieve change.
3-You had four years (eight+ if you count Trump’s regime and the lead-up to it in this calculation) to “stop fascism”. What did you do in this period of time? Did you push Biden and Kamala to adopt policies which have mass support? Did you do anything except go to back to brunch?
4-You aren’t entitled to others’ votes. Stop pretending that you are.
5-We aren’t splitting the so-called left, Kamala Harris did that all by herself.
6-You have no red lines. There is nothing that could make you not support Kamala Harris and we know it. Telling people to drop their standards and ignore their conscience to vote for Kamala is a fatal strategy and you killed her campaign by deploying it.
7-Almost all of your arguments for voting for Kamala Harris (aside from the “it will stop Trump” argument which, in retrospect, appears to be a dismal failure) also apply to reasons for voting for Trump. “You can push them left”, “By voting we will get a seat at the table”, “Voting third party or not voting at all is a wasted vote”, “We have to vote this way to protect the country”, “Politics is about comprise - you cannot expect them to be your perfect political candidate”, and whatever hold-your-nose-and-vote arguments you trot out. Did you ever stop to ask yourself why it is that you do not find these arguments for voting Trump to be convincing?
8-Last time Trump got elected you were brutally vindictive. You took glee in the thought of people in red states and marginalised groups suffering due to policy and things like natural disasters, regardless of their politics or how they chose to vote. You were excited to tell these people that they were going to get deported and put into concentration camps. You will do it again this time too because you have learned nothing. November came and these people you targeted with your vicious schadenfreude remembered. They aren’t going to forget how effortlessly you abandoned them and how you wished the worst suffering and ill-fate upon them.
None of those excuses justifies voting for a clearly insane man. You don’t look at a normal person and a guy screaming about eating cats and say “that cat eating guy is the one out of the two who should have the nuclear codes”. It’s fucking moronic.
I mean, you joined in on people having a discussion/debate on why Kamala lost, said some of the points are not valid and then refused to explain which point or why.
I guess you do you but we are still left wondering what could possibly be wrong about the original message for you.
Neither Kamala Harris nor Trump should ever have access to nuclear codes !
Let’s remember K.H. literally said she wanted to start a new war with Iran and that she wanted the “most lethal army in the world”.
You fell for the Dems propaganda so hard you literally can’t see how both of the main runners for the elections were crazy far right candidates.
There is no substantial distinction in foreign policy between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump so neither of them should have access to nukes, not voting for any of the two parties is the only logical conclusion.
The only reason why the good 3rd party candidates are not electable is because of people like you that will blindly follow the Dems on their descent into fascism.
The US does not need two Republican Parties, so stop supporting and justifying the second one.
Go out and start building support for an actually good party, that’s the only way to save the country from fascism. Not voting for the Democrats.
Let’s remember K.H. literally said she wanted to start a new war with Iran
Citation fucking needed.
she wanted the “most lethal army in the world”.
That has been the explicit US policy of the US regardless of leadership for 80 years.
If you think Harris and Trump are equally crazy, YOU are the one who needs psychological treatment. Trump literally wanted to nuke a hurricane, pulled us out of our nuclear deal with Iran, encouraged the US to develop and test “low yield” nuclear arms, and encouraged South Korea to build their own nukes. Harris along with Biden has simply continued the standard nuclear deterrent policy the US has followed for decades in spite of the first direct nuclear threat by another country since the Cuban Missile Crisis.
About the first one, I guess it was actually Tim Walz that, when asked if he supported a preemptive strike on Iran, replied that Israel has a right to expand itself and that he would back Israel since it is a US ally unlike what he thinks Trump would do.
And Tim Walz is who Kamala Harris chose as VP, so let’s not joke around and pretend Harris would have disagreed with any of this.
The Democratic party was always the fascist party but with “the mask on” as opposed to the Republican Party which is “mask off”
But also, while less literally, Harris did say that (and I’m quoting an article linked below):
"Diplomacy is my preferred path to that end, but ALL OPTIONS are on the table,” she added.
Harris, the Democratic presidential nominee, also lambasted her opponent, Republican nominee and former US President Donald Trump, arguing that he was not tough enough toward the Iranian threat.
“I am clear-eyed. Iran is a destabilizing and dangerous force,” Harris said. “When Donald Trump was president, he let Iran off the hook. After Iran and its proxies attacked US bases and American troops, Trump did nothing. And he pulled out of the nuclear deal without any plan, leading to an unconstrained Iranian nuclear program.”
“On the other hand, our administration struck Iranian proxies in Iraq and Syria when they attacked American troops, and we are the first administration to ever directly defend Israel">
At the end of the part I quoted from the article she is literally celebrating about having strikes Iranian proxies already.
Let’s remember that Israel striked an Iranian embassy, which is considered an act of war.
But kamala Harris has supported, is supporting and would have supported all of this, because she sees Israel as an important proxy of the US in the middle east. And the white house uses Israel to project it’s power against the Arabs countries and destabilize them. This is why she was never going to end the Genocide in Palestine.
Also, your only excuse for the fact that she wanted the “most lethal army in the world”, is that the previous Dems also wanted this ( like obviously, she is from the same party as them, what I’m saying is that that is actively bad and should be a red line, an army should only be defensive, this is not what she was implying if you go back and listen to the DNC speech) and Republicans as well.
Again, supporting 100% Hitler because another candidate is 101% Hitler is not that great of a talking point like you think it is. Actually on this particular issue both candidates are the same level of “Hitlerite”. That’s the party you support, and because you support it, you completely oppose the development of any 3rd party that would not have this crazy warmongering policy.
To end for now my reply, a candidate that supports the foreign nuclear weapons policy the US followed in the past decades is actually a huge negative because the world has never been more tense (as you seem to notice as well in your comment). That policy is getting us closer to nuclear war and you think it’s good that Kamala Harris wanted to follow it !?
Again, she is just being the fascist with the mask on, instead of being mask off like Trump.
And just to remember you, I do not support Donald Trump, I never did and never will.
Walz supports Israel making a preemptive strike on Iran, not the US. At no point did he or Harris say they would use US troops in an offense against Iran.
The Democratic party was always the fascist party but with "the mask on
Not anywhere close to reality. The democratic party in no way meets the definition of fascism.
"Diplomacy is my preferred path to that end, but ALL OPTIONS are on the table,” she added.
So the same as literally every president ever.
he was not tough enough toward the Iranian threat.
He cozies up to all the dictators because he wants to be one, so yeah he wasn’t tough enough. He let them out of their treaty which was preventing their atomic weapons research. Keeping nukes out of the hands of an authoritarian theocracy is a good thing.
This is why she was never going to end the Genocide in Palestine.
Except she and Biden have been pushing for peace nonstop.
Meanwhile Trump said he would encourage Israel to “finish the job” which means kill them all.
an army should only be defensive
The best defense is to be the most lethal army so nobody wants to fight you. That has been US policy for BOTH parties since WW2. It’s a good policy because it keeps us out of wars.
That policy is getting us closer to nuclear war and you think it’s good that Kamala Harris wanted to follow it !?
The policy for Democrats in past decades has been mutual disarmament of nukes. Trump wants us building more.
Again, she is just being the fascist with the mask on, instead of being mask off like Trump.
Again, you need to look up the definition of fascism because Harris in no way meets it.
And just to remember you, I do not support Donald Trump, I never did and never will.
If you didn’t vote for Harris, you did support Trump.
In this article there are also a lot more parts that i could quote and would make it clear that K.Harris does not care about peace in the Middle East. After all, that’s why this happened.
And I also don’t agree with your point about having the most lethal army.
After all, the US is the only country to ever launch a nuclear bomb at another country.
And they had plans to throw one at Vietnam, Korea and China as well.
I don’t think that the US should be allowed to hold any more nuclear weapons, the US government is the crazy, out-of-control political power that should not have nukes.
The idea that supporting and helping Genocide does not count as fascist is also baffling to me. A lot of people seem to wonder what they would have done if they were a German in Nazi Germany. I think this makes it very clear what you position would have been, you would not have cared, not even a little bit.
All your other points were already answered enough in the previous comment, so i won’t waste time. You are pretending not to understand, and that’s fine.
Especially because a see a clear difference in effort between us, I have to provide sources for everything, you can just make up stuff on the spot, no citations, no quotes, no nothing. And I can see that your understanding of geopolitics is entirely vibe-based and your understanding of how the world works is elementary at best.
I would not be surprised to find out that you are one of the people that only reads the headlines of articles and believes in the “Horseshoe theory”. But I guess that’s very common for blue MAGAs.
Mildly? I’m radicalized as fuck. This is the most infuriating shit. Fucken useless ass democrats are only good at constructing elaborate and expensive footguns. They couldn’t read the fucken room and hear people screaming for any change at all.
I’ve changed man, since then. I don’t know how I feel about the Democrats, but I’m devastated over who voted Republican. So many people in this country voted for him. It wasn’t just we had low turnout, but also just that he had so much. That’s the disheartening thing for me, that still, with everything we know, he still carries 50% of this country easily. So yeah, we had too few, but worse, he has too many.
Right? I found pre-election solace in knowing that even though his cult will never turn on him, he couldn’t have possibly gotten MORE supporters in the past 4 years.
Turns out they LOVE the hate and they want more of it.
Sorry, Mindless Americans, it’s not Trump’s fault anymore, it’s YOURS.
That’s what I’ve come around to. It’s not him. He’s a figurehead that we apply blame but it’s not. It’s the people - the public. They want this. They have the fear and the hate, they actively want it. If America didn’t want him, they wouldn’t have voted him in. Even with tampering/whatever, if America didn’t, he wouldn’t be there. But America does want him, and that’s a very sobering and sad thought to me. I try to live with a simple code - do what you want, as long as it doesn’t hurt others. I learned yesterday that most American’s don’t have similar values.
IMO that’s way off base. People want change. They know they’re getting screwed, and the grifter is promising change. He’s lying and I think most people know that, but the fact that they’d take a convicted felon over what the DNC offered up is a crushing repudiation.
Bernie would’ve mopped the floor with Trump, because he also offers change. Someone like Obama would’ve too, even though there was a paucity of actual change during his terms.
We need to drag the DNC kicking and screaming off of the corporate dick it’s sucking, and get it left enough to offer real change, and people will vote for it in droves.
Part of me blames the collective memory loss of the COVID years and a complete lack of understanding of cause and effect.
It’s like everyone forgot there was this massive global pandemic which absolutely killed entire industries. And even though the important parts were propped up during the lean times by government support, that support ended eventually, with the economy still a mess that couldn’t just be put back together like nothing happened.
I mean, people at that time didn’t even have a concept of what was going on. They have no idea how much money was spent keeping the lights on. People lost their shit over the billions it would cost to forgive student loans, but had no idea how many more billions were already spent on—and abused by—businesses whose pandemic loans were forgiven by the government.
Everyone forgot the pandemic was only as bad as it was in the US because it was so completely mishandled by the Trump administration. We could have had everything back to normal a lot sooner if there was even a little bit of national preparedness, not to mention if we didn’t have all the misinformation spread by his own administration.
So when the economy went to shit in 2021-2022 during the Biden administration, people shrugged their shoulders and put the blame on the old man in the white house, despite the fact that it’s been on a recovery trend during this last year. And so Trump’s first year is going to start with stronger markets, he’ll get the credit, and then things will get worse just in time for someone else to take the blame for it.
It doesn’t matter how well “the economy” recovered from Covid, when you see stuff like this:
https://inequality.org/facts/income-inequality/
Trump isn’t going to fix that, but Biden already didn’t, and FPTP means you get your pick of those two options.
Do you have figures that include 2024? That data seems to stop at 2021. Not saying you’re wrong but the picture being painted is just Biden’s first year as president during the height of the pandemic.
Comparing things like rates of inflation and the consumer price index, we see the numbers drop dramatically within the past two years, which seems to have been improving cost of living somewhat (or, ruining less quickly, at least) for the average American, though there is still a lot more to be done.
It’s not really about that short of a timeframe. Here’s another example:
https://apps.urban.org/features/wealth-inequality-charts/
Compare 1963 to 2022:
We’re living in a new Gilded Age, people know they’re getting fucked, and saying “Oh, but look at this number going up” doesn’t work anymore.
How is voting for a literal past president any kind of change? America chose hate and blame this week.
He will bring lots of change. None of it good, but the DNC should view that as a crushing repudiation of their approach. They can’t even blame the Electoral College, they fucked up that badly. Hopefully they’ll learn a goddamn thing or two and run someone offering positive change.
It was incredibly hard to fight the constant youtube and tiktok right-wing extremism that they’ve been fed. They’ve been taught to hate women and minorities so much that they vote for literal Hitler.
If you’re just some dude, and you’ve got youtubers saying “you matter and you’re cool” on the one hand, and “cis white men suck #KillAllMen”, what do you think you’d be attracted to? That’s a generalization of course, but identity politics has got to go. We need more of this aesthetic on the left:
Not that exact poster obviously, but we need something that gives people a vision of the future and makes it cool. Until that happens, get ready for more Trump and his ilk.
Apparently people see him as the strongman lesser evil who’s gonna bring back economy, “fix” illegal immigration (both of which the current administration has done), and keep status quo on energy and abortion. I blame the Democrats for not campaigning on their successes.
They DID campaign on their successes, but nobody believed that anything had gotten better because they still couldn’t afford groceries.
The food scarcity percentage (sometimes or often not being able to afford groceries) is down 1%, but yeah it might not be noticeable. I don’t think Harris’s campaign did anything substantial on the other economic stuff, though. In trying to campaign a message of change, it seems like they neglected their incumbent successes and failed at both.
I’ve tried talking to trumpers to point out the double standards, contradictions, and outright lies. They don’t listen, just ad hominem or whatabout out of it.
So much whatabout. Are they actually convincing themselves this way, or do they realize it’s stupid but just don’t have anything else to say?
Trump sexually assaulted people and was convicted of fraud.
Whatabout Hillary’s emails and Hunters laptop?
First off, those people aren’t running for president AND it’s not fucking RAPE AND FRAUD!!!
Republicans actively work for an uneducated population they can rule. That’s the root of this problem.
The research is out, more educated people are more likely to vote Democrat, but if you ever point that out, all you get back is “I know YOU are, but what am I?”
I’ve tried talking and that doesn’t work, I’ve also tried being kind and all that shit no dice. But everyone gets upset when I say let’s shoot them, so please tell me more about how it’s my fault.
I’ll say it for you. Thomas Crooks was THIS close to being an American hero.
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Nobody seemed to mind when Hans Gruber fell from Nakatomi Plaza.
Or when the Wicked witch of the West got splashed with water.
Or when The Death Star exploded.
And I don’t give a fuck how rapists and felons, and the people that defend them, feel about what I say.
You forgot all the failed Hitler assassinations, nobody cried over those either
Yeah, I was trying to avoid THAT example because it’s become too cliche at this point.
At least 1930s Germans could say their cizenry didn’t vote for Hitler. We Americans can’t say the same. I’m so ashamed of snd angry at my fellow Americans.
Did we have low turnout?
Last numbers I saw is that Trump more or less got the same amount of votes as 2020 while Harris got 15 million less votes than Biden.
Don’t forget we only have about 87% reporting right now. So far turnout seems on track to be about the same as 2020.
I’m radicalized too. Wanna start a club? We could be the happy fun clan against fascism. Need a shorter name though
No, I want to join an existing massive one and change it at its very core to be something radical that we can wield. Wait a minute…
lets call it the antifascism club. antifa for short.
How about the Kool Kids Klan?
Nah. Gotta shorten it. Just abbriviate it, and help me with these white sheets. We need to maks ghost costumes.
The media completely failed at their job of informing the public.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/07/us-progressive-election-trump-maga
Or maybe what media thinks their job is isn’t what you think it should be. Maybe the media is deliberately promoting fascism for profit, has become our enemy, and needs to be destroyed.
I can’t really blame the Democrats. The public is who failed. The Democrats ran a sane adult. That alone should have been enough to beat Trump.
No its not when people are in agony. To them, this is their torch. This is how fascism rises.
We made it through the Recession and COVID-19, but now people are in agony? No fucking way. They chose fascism because they are awful.
Yeah. Fascism rises further because Americans voted for it, not because of the candidate.
More important to have a Chad than anything.
Some extracts from a great comment from another user on lemmy (readfanon). I’ll paste this here since some people seem to think that the Democrats did nothing wrong and it is the “left” voters who failed them :
1-You are chasing the DNC to the right and one day you will wake up and wonder to yourself “How did I end up all the way over here?” I’m not following you into that marsh but you’re welcome to go into it yourself, just don’t get upset at me when I point out what you’re heading into and don’t get angry when I refuse to blindly follow you.
2-Historically, fascism has never been stopped at the ballot box. You being convinced that this is possible does not sway my opinion on any matter aside from my estimation of your political awareness and your ability to achieve change.
3-You had four years (eight+ if you count Trump’s regime and the lead-up to it in this calculation) to “stop fascism”. What did you do in this period of time? Did you push Biden and Kamala to adopt policies which have mass support? Did you do anything except go to back to brunch?
4-You aren’t entitled to others’ votes. Stop pretending that you are.
5-We aren’t splitting the so-called left, Kamala Harris did that all by herself.
6-You have no red lines. There is nothing that could make you not support Kamala Harris and we know it. Telling people to drop their standards and ignore their conscience to vote for Kamala is a fatal strategy and you killed her campaign by deploying it.
7-Almost all of your arguments for voting for Kamala Harris (aside from the “it will stop Trump” argument which, in retrospect, appears to be a dismal failure) also apply to reasons for voting for Trump. “You can push them left”, “By voting we will get a seat at the table”, “Voting third party or not voting at all is a wasted vote”, “We have to vote this way to protect the country”, “Politics is about comprise - you cannot expect them to be your perfect political candidate”, and whatever hold-your-nose-and-vote arguments you trot out. Did you ever stop to ask yourself why it is that you do not find these arguments for voting Trump to be convincing?
8-Last time Trump got elected you were brutally vindictive. You took glee in the thought of people in red states and marginalised groups suffering due to policy and things like natural disasters, regardless of their politics or how they chose to vote. You were excited to tell these people that they were going to get deported and put into concentration camps. You will do it again this time too because you have learned nothing. November came and these people you targeted with your vicious schadenfreude remembered. They aren’t going to forget how effortlessly you abandoned them and how you wished the worst suffering and ill-fate upon them.
None of those excuses justifies voting for a clearly insane man. You don’t look at a normal person and a guy screaming about eating cats and say “that cat eating guy is the one out of the two who should have the nuclear codes”. It’s fucking moronic.
And half of it is either not true for me personally, based on some hefty assumptions even if applied generally, etc…
Which of the points do you feel are not correct ?
Could you elaborate on it ? Otherwise I can’t really motivate and explain them.
It’s OK, your explanation is not required.
I mean, you joined in on people having a discussion/debate on why Kamala lost, said some of the points are not valid and then refused to explain which point or why.
I guess you do you but we are still left wondering what could possibly be wrong about the original message for you.
Hey you got what you wanted, and you got to post a lengthy manifesto about it. I don’t feel obligated to give you more of my time than I already have.
Neither Kamala Harris nor Trump should ever have access to nuclear codes !
Let’s remember K.H. literally said she wanted to start a new war with Iran and that she wanted the “most lethal army in the world”.
You fell for the Dems propaganda so hard you literally can’t see how both of the main runners for the elections were crazy far right candidates. There is no substantial distinction in foreign policy between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump so neither of them should have access to nukes, not voting for any of the two parties is the only logical conclusion.
The only reason why the good 3rd party candidates are not electable is because of people like you that will blindly follow the Dems on their descent into fascism. The US does not need two Republican Parties, so stop supporting and justifying the second one. Go out and start building support for an actually good party, that’s the only way to save the country from fascism. Not voting for the Democrats.
Citation fucking needed.
That has been the explicit US policy of the US regardless of leadership for 80 years.
If you think Harris and Trump are equally crazy, YOU are the one who needs psychological treatment. Trump literally wanted to nuke a hurricane, pulled us out of our nuclear deal with Iran, encouraged the US to develop and test “low yield” nuclear arms, and encouraged South Korea to build their own nukes. Harris along with Biden has simply continued the standard nuclear deterrent policy the US has followed for decades in spite of the first direct nuclear threat by another country since the Cuban Missile Crisis.
About the first one, I guess it was actually Tim Walz that, when asked if he supported a preemptive strike on Iran, replied that Israel has a right to expand itself and that he would back Israel since it is a US ally unlike what he thinks Trump would do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMIEaiS88pI
And Tim Walz is who Kamala Harris chose as VP, so let’s not joke around and pretend Harris would have disagreed with any of this. The Democratic party was always the fascist party but with “the mask on” as opposed to the Republican Party which is “mask off”
But also, while less literally, Harris did say that (and I’m quoting an article linked below):
https://www.algemeiner.com/2024/10/11/kamala-harris-vows-do-whatever-necessary-prevent-iran-acquiring-nuclear-weapons/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/harris-to-jewish-voters-all-options-on-the-table-to-stop-iran-from-going-nuclear/
At the end of the part I quoted from the article she is literally celebrating about having strikes Iranian proxies already. Let’s remember that Israel striked an Iranian embassy, which is considered an act of war.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_airstrike_on_the_Iranian_consulate_in_Damascus
But kamala Harris has supported, is supporting and would have supported all of this, because she sees Israel as an important proxy of the US in the middle east. And the white house uses Israel to project it’s power against the Arabs countries and destabilize them. This is why she was never going to end the Genocide in Palestine.
Also, your only excuse for the fact that she wanted the “most lethal army in the world”, is that the previous Dems also wanted this ( like obviously, she is from the same party as them, what I’m saying is that that is actively bad and should be a red line, an army should only be defensive, this is not what she was implying if you go back and listen to the DNC speech) and Republicans as well. Again, supporting 100% Hitler because another candidate is 101% Hitler is not that great of a talking point like you think it is. Actually on this particular issue both candidates are the same level of “Hitlerite”. That’s the party you support, and because you support it, you completely oppose the development of any 3rd party that would not have this crazy warmongering policy.
To end for now my reply, a candidate that supports the foreign nuclear weapons policy the US followed in the past decades is actually a huge negative because the world has never been more tense (as you seem to notice as well in your comment). That policy is getting us closer to nuclear war and you think it’s good that Kamala Harris wanted to follow it !? Again, she is just being the fascist with the mask on, instead of being mask off like Trump.
And just to remember you, I do not support Donald Trump, I never did and never will.
Walz supports Israel making a preemptive strike on Iran, not the US. At no point did he or Harris say they would use US troops in an offense against Iran.
Not anywhere close to reality. The democratic party in no way meets the definition of fascism.
So the same as literally every president ever.
He cozies up to all the dictators because he wants to be one, so yeah he wasn’t tough enough. He let them out of their treaty which was preventing their atomic weapons research. Keeping nukes out of the hands of an authoritarian theocracy is a good thing.
Except she and Biden have been pushing for peace nonstop.
Meanwhile Trump said he would encourage Israel to “finish the job” which means kill them all.
The best defense is to be the most lethal army so nobody wants to fight you. That has been US policy for BOTH parties since WW2. It’s a good policy because it keeps us out of wars.
The policy for Democrats in past decades has been mutual disarmament of nukes. Trump wants us building more.
Again, you need to look up the definition of fascism because Harris in no way meets it.
If you didn’t vote for Harris, you did support Trump.
I took a few days to reply because honestly it is exhausting.
You know, when some people online call you Russian Bot, it does make you wonder if any of you will ever see through the Dems propaganda. But there is also the possibility that I am the one talking to bots.
I do believe that, at the end, time will prove me right. After all they do say that “A liberal is someone who opposes every war except the current war” .
That said, I’m probably going to respond a little to this one because it is honestly the most brain-worms comment I might have ever read.
There is no material difference between Israel striking Iran with the backing of the US and the US doing it directly. Israel fights with US-made weapons and with full US approval.
And by the way, the current government is actually sending troops to Israel to operate defensive weapons, this lets Israel focus on attacking border countries and commit Genocide. The majority of Americans oppose this btw, so obviously a few day before the vote, the Dems decided to increase how many soldiers are deployed there.
Also it does not matter that there are no US troops in the contested territory, the Israeli army acts as part of the US army.
All of this is already happening under the supervision and approval of Kamala Harris.
It really makes you wonder if the Democratic Party even wants to win.
Don’t make me laugh.
In this article there are also a lot more parts that i could quote and would make it clear that K.Harris does not care about peace in the Middle East. After all, that’s why this happened.
And I also don’t agree with your point about having the most lethal army.
After all, the US is the only country to ever launch a nuclear bomb at another country. And they had plans to throw one at Vietnam, Korea and China as well.
I don’t think that the US should be allowed to hold any more nuclear weapons, the US government is the crazy, out-of-control political power that should not have nukes.
The idea that supporting and helping Genocide does not count as fascist is also baffling to me. A lot of people seem to wonder what they would have done if they were a German in Nazi Germany. I think this makes it very clear what you position would have been, you would not have cared, not even a little bit.
All your other points were already answered enough in the previous comment, so i won’t waste time. You are pretending not to understand, and that’s fine. Especially because a see a clear difference in effort between us, I have to provide sources for everything, you can just make up stuff on the spot, no citations, no quotes, no nothing. And I can see that your understanding of geopolitics is entirely vibe-based and your understanding of how the world works is elementary at best.
I would not be surprised to find out that you are one of the people that only reads the headlines of articles and believes in the “Horseshoe theory”. But I guess that’s very common for blue MAGAs.
Honestly you are deeply unserious.
The Democrats didn’t turn out to vote for Kamala, so yes, you can still blame the Democrats.