To be honest, it’s not a huge deal. The copyright cartel can easily send dmca requests to your isp just for having text guidelines. Not everyone has the bandwidth or energy to deal with stuff like that.
I just wish this wasn’t done at the request of a transphobic racist whole just did it to get back at is for getting banned for making transphobic and racist communities in this instance.
Keep it up db0, a lot of us across the fediverse appreciate what you’ve built!
Don’t need lemmy world anyways. This is the most based instance on the entire fediverse. Their loss.
At least they blocked a community and not the entire instance. This is how these things should be handled, imo
One of the most popular instance. This is why federation is necessary and people should create accounts in different servers instead of pulling everyone to one server calling it tge “official” or “main” server
Yeah, they fell for the fucking troll. Excuse my french.
So beehaw was right whey they defederated from .world, there is shadiness there…
PS: this is one of the best communities in the fediverse, good job.
Beehaw’s reasons for defederation were completely unrelated to what’s happening now. They didn’t want the general public to have access to their “safe” community.
there’s more to “the general public” besides 2 instances. beehaw defederated from .world and sijw because the mod tooling to handle a huge influx of people isn’t ready, and it still isn’t ready. (and the rest of their defederations are an off the shelf mastodon blocklist import which all instances should do imo and a few explicitly unmoderated instances. oh and porn i think)
beehaw federates just fine with the instance i’m on, for example.
if they wanted to defederate completely, lemmy does support allowlist federation, and i’m pretty sure their admins know about it.
There’s nothing shady here, just kneejerk and protectionist.
Beehaw defederated because they they decided they didn’t want to actually moderate their communities. Easier to just screen everyone before letting them join, to weed out people they may potentially disagree with. Ostensibly to filter out hate but only a fool thinks it stops there.
Fucking Lemmy.world is hot garbage. They’re down every day and are constantly defederating with any instance that doesn’t fit their narrow, sanitized world views. It’s also one of the most recommended Lemmy’s with more new users going there than anywhere else. I think it incredibly damaging in the long run to have 50% of active users on this platform to be centralized on one domain. Especially if this domain makes as many boneheaded decisions as lemmy.world
I think it incredibly damaging in the long run to have 50% of active users on this platform to be centralized on one domain.
I agree, but 50% is still better than 100%. I definitely appreciate that I’m reading about this while being totally unaffected personally rather than just disappearing entirely like what happens with a banned subreddit.
We badly need Lemmy clients that can merge instances even if they’re defederated, as well as the other way around, filter out entire instances even if your instance won’t defederate from them. Letting instance owners dictate what you can or cannot see is not the way.
There are clients that will do the former but I’m not aware of any that will do the latter. I don’t understand why, it can’t be that hard to filter users and communities by instance.
I wanna say connect could do it for a while now. It’ll certainly come to many clients
I believe Memmy has a filter for communities and instances.
it does, but its broken. the list resets every time you close the app. At least on the full release current build
Yep, I agree. Yet another reason I just spun up my own instance and use that.
I’m curious as to what you’d need(other than a server) to spin oneupp
Some time and tinkering.
It’s quite straightforward (especially if you don’t use nginx or need email) to use the docker install.
So you need a Linux box (IDK about windows) a fix IP with a port routed to your machine and some free time. Oh yeah a domain name pointing to said IP.
That’s good to know, thanks! Would love to try that some day
It’s definitely achievable and I’d encourage anyone to play around with self hosting.
The main thing to acknowledge before getting started is that it’s an ongoing commitment, like a puppy. Getting it to work initially is the easy part, you can follow a guide and have something working in a few hours of effort. Running in to problems later on is the tricky part, automated backups and upgrades et cetera, something needs a re-start, things just stop working for some reason.
Ah yeah, I can imagine it’s not a one and done thing, you’d have to do a lot of support with your server, can see it being a massive time sink
A lot of people register there initially to get their feet wet and move on to another instance later for these reasons. At least we have subscriptions/blocks transferring tools now.
Yep. I started there, found it down all the time and then moved on.
I did it the moment they decided not to defederate from Meta. I don’t like admins who can’t take decisive actions to protect their users (and apparently seem to bend their knees to any big corpo out there)
That sounds like a contradictory stance
I’m fairly new, what are the tools?
I also used LASIM but I remember someone else mentioning another tool that could do multiple accts at once. check out this list for it and more tools.
This is the tool I used: Lemmy Account Settings Instance Migrator
step 1 - go to reddit
step 2 - ?
step 3 - profit
unfortunately i don’t know the specific answer, but you might find something interesting here:
or here:
This is what I did.
I think lemmy.world gather the kind of redditors that like sanitized world views, the power of decentralization makes us choose an instance without those hot garbaje takes as lemmy.world.
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Bungiefan_ak appears to have literally two hobbies, and they’re being anti-piracy and actively a fascist.
Funny how that works out.
same account name (different instance) is also posting transphobia on https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/c/nomoretroons
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Its been deleted now, but that person has successfully trolled every lemmy.world user and is obviously full of hate and intolerance.
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@[email protected] joined 8 hours ago.
100% spot on. I got called all sorts of names for pointing this out, but maybe my own fault for pointing it out on one of their posts! 😅
@tron @Madbrad200 >Fucking Lemmy.world is hot garbage. They’re down every day and are constantly defederating with any instance that doesn’t fit their narrow, sanitized world views.
welcome to the fedi, first day here? :guraKekw:
This feels like an obvious bullshit cop-out reason to defederate against a specific community that they don’t like for whatever silly reason they can’t reveal to the public.
Never have I seen an actual link to content survive very long on lemmy.ml or dbzer0.com. Just like the good old /r/Piracy we discuss piracy, but we do not directly facilitate it.
Someone please slap the back of their heads repeatedly and aggressively with these facts. This excuse is disingenuous as hell.
If you are a user of lemmy.world; RUN. NOW! Find a new instance. Switch away from them before they reach terminal enshitification velocity.
I guess, someone with a copyright background came knocking at their door. It’s one thing to defend against a lawsuit if you are a big for-profit company with a well-funded law department and a nice financial buffer. But it’s an entirely different thing if you are hosting a non-profit platform with your own money because you are a nice guy.
Tbh, I am negatively surprised how many people don’t understand that the person hosting a lemmy instance is someone who does it as a hobby and not a big corporation.
The good thing about Lemmy: if you don’t like an instance or it’s admin, you can just host one yourself. You just need a Pi or an old laptop and a few hours of time. Did you try that?
enshitification
You’re already misusing our cool new word. Cut it out.
Too many people don’t know what it actually means.
The enshittification of the word enshittification has started
en-enshittification?
re-enshittification?
ren-shittification?
enshitificaception
No. It is enshitification. Do not @ me.
Have you read the definition? It’s a platform reducing the quality of services to increase profit. Nothing about this is to increase profit.
You are 120% wrong and it IS enshitification.
If you are 200% wrong, are you right?
I am using the actual definition. Saying you are x percent wrong isn’t an arguement. You’re just making yourself look bad.
This is Doctorow’s made up word.
All words are made up
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Or music.
Better off renting it so I can get some publicities mixed in in the list … :-/
And the fact that I can see this means sh.itjust.works hasn’t, yey
neither has lemdro.id!
Nor lemm.ee. And hopefully that won’t change.
Hopefully it doesn’t change for reddthat.com as well.
same for pawb.social
The admin at Feddit.uk said they’d use defederation only as a last resort.
Might be biased, but that’s obviously the best instance.
Coincidentally I just made a lemm.ee account today
And just like that I learned about a Steam Deck piracy community.
Something something Streisand Effect.
TBF it doesn’t seem like they were against piracy per se, they just wanted to avoid potential liability. That said, I’ve still moved on to another instance.
This 100%
I don’t know why people are making this dramatic, this was absolutely a functional and pragmatic decision.
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Suggestion: account on small instance, communities on large ones
This is the way
Why communities on large ones, doesn’t that achieve centralization of the content?
Well, not if the communities are distributed across several large instances, no?
Small istances don’t have the resources to host large communities
images are the real issue. text is extremely small and most instances should be able to handle even the largest text and link based communities.
in fact they can’t participate on lemmy if they couldn’t because the text of a post (and all the comments) gets copied to all instances subscribed to a community
and of course moderation can be a concern as well, but if you’re not ready to moderate you shouldn’t host anything other than a single user instance anyway.
Only correction I offer is accounts, on small instances. Not just one on one instance.
Turns out beehaw is more based than world.
Nah. It’s a walled garden, you should know better than to trust those by now.
They use discord to announce these changes? Wtf?
Because their shit instance can’t keep up for a minute.
Clearly their shit just doesn’t work.
I think this is better tbh, I personally don’t like it when piracy forums/sites/whatever piracy related thing goes too mainstream. Maybe it’s gatekeeping, I don’t know, I just don’t want another Z-Library incident.
Either way, they probably aren’t even against piracy, they’re probably just lazy and don’t want to deal with any of the issues they could potentially face down the line.
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I kind of agree, with the caveat that I think it’d be super cool if the existing dbzer0 members also checked out other communities on different instances and made Lemmy more popular. I feel like that would be a win-win.
The more mainstream and well-known dbzer0 becomes, the more likely it is to have problems because of that.
We already do :) It’s all federated so dbzer0 members can view/subscribe/participate in other Lemmy communities.
For this community in particular, I think having a “federated community” would be especially helpful. Piracy communities will inevitably be taken down, but distributing them across many federated communities turns it into a game of whack-a-mole.
dbzer0 is no exception to this. There will be a time that the admin will start receiving DMCAs and will need to choose between complying and throwing themselves into legal jeopardy.
Unfortunately, the lemmy project maintainers and lead devs seem largely uninterested in such a feature and I lack the skill necessary to implement it, so it’s down to an invested and skilled community member, if it ever happens.
posts and comments are hosted on the instances their authors come from. if the instance hosting a community gets yanked away without sending proper deletion requests to the network, all those posts end up hidden but accessible with their “canonical” link (which you can find from the rainbow star looking button on each post)
for example, the canonical link to OP’s post is https://sh.itjust.works/post/2882678, and if db0 goes down without asking shitjustworks to remove this post (i.e. if it gets seized) that post will stay there until the sijw admins or OP themselves takes it down
(and if an instance does get seized other piracy-friendly instances can immediately defederate from that instance to “reject” any future removal requests wink wink nudge nudge)
ZLibrary never went down fully. There were always ways to access it.
i honestly think the z-library incident was a one-off because it was spread by colleen hoover fans on tiktok so i’m hoping that it won’t happen again… but maybe that’s just wishful thinking :/
wow it’s almost like having a huge chunk of lemmy’s users in one instance is a bad thing. who would’ve thought.
seriously though more people should migrate to smaller instances.
It makes me wonder if and when we’ll see clients that also act as single-user instances.
I’ve been saying that for a while, start a service where you can pay x€ per month for self-hosting your 1 to 5 users instance, that makes it easy to get it started via a few choices, and I’m sure it would be very popular.
If there are any code-masters out there that want to partner with someone that can lead the vision/sales/UX aspect of it, hit me up.
there are people that do this kinda thing for mastodon (see masto.host as an example), so it’s only a matter of time before lemmy hosters of this nature will pop up.
I’m going to host my own instance and I will be the only user on it. That’s the best option for me at the moment.
instances need to be constantly online under the same domain to receive new posts. you can’t really host an instance from your home without some kind of tunnel or ddns setup, and you surely can’t host one from a potentially metered mobile connection.
Does ActivityPub not have retry with back off like email? Mail will try to be delivered for a few days before the sender gives up.
Lemmy.world is dogshit. It feels like a nanny instance.
I’m so happy that I joined a small instance that hasn’t defederated or been defederated from anyone
Go be a shepherd and encourage people to move elsewhere
Well it got me to move, so something is working.
Me too. I just found hexbear.net. Much better.
What’s hexbear?
Not much, what’s hex with you? 🤣
I think it is an instance full of evangelical leftists?
No thank you
Gross and they replied to my comment. I need a shower now.
No evangelism of any kind–rather dirtbag leftism. Chapo Trap House is defined on Wikipedia. They’ve got podcasts. They write books. They’re smart, well-informed, and take no prisoners.
Chapo Trap House lemmy.
That’s what I’m doing. 2 people already said they’re gonna switch!
Idk why people keep joining that bullshit instead of spreading out.
Probably because they don’t understand how federation works. People are used to signing up for centralised services, so when they come to Lemmy because of a reddit post where someone said “I just signed up at lemmy.world, it’s great” and then they install an app and lemmy.world is the first instance listed, they just blindly assume that is the official/main instance that they should start with.
Hmmm, your chosen instance interests me
Haha. Nice name. Simple. Elegant. I like it.
Hi Lemm.ee. Bye lemmy.world.
The guy who started this whole thing by asking lemmy.world admins to defederate with lemmy.dbzer0.com is a lemm.ee account and he has asked lemm.ee to take similar action
Doesn’t matter who started it, all that matters is how the admins handle it. If all it takes is a new user asking for a community or instance to be blocked/de-federated and it just happens no questions asked, the admin in charge are to blame, not the person for asking.
I’m pretty certain the lemm.ee dev won’t block it. Time will tell.
who is it? what is it?
You can find the guy’s account in this post’s thread.
I’ll tell ya a couple of three things, my estimation of Lemmy.world as a general-purpose instance just fucking plummeted.
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That’s funny because lemmy.world has been blocking every community for hours on end multiple times a week on a seemingly regular basis. Their shits broke.
A transphobic troll got spanked and then retaliated with that post and the .world admins were stupid enough to blindly follow the directions of an alt-right turd.
Just saying.
Not just transphobic but racist as well and going by the posted pebbleyeet memes probably also fascist. Sad that the lemmy.world admins took the bait especially after dealing with constant ddos themselves for kicking off their own trolls
It’s comedy how wishy washy they are on not federating with Meta despite bunch of their users saying they hate Facebook and Zuck but are convinced to defederate from us by a single post from such a suspicious account.
I just saw the same user on the star trek instance, accusing them of being into ‘nerd shit’
It’s doubtful they posted to .world with genuine concerns. They just seem like an agent of chaos.
‘nerd shit’
On Star Trek? Imagine that! (I’ve been nerding over there, off and on, all day) 🤣
Incidentally, when I looked up that user earlier in the day, they account was 8 hours old.
Source for this person being transphobic? I’m not saying you’re wrong, I just don’t know where this is coming from…
About 5 shitty memes that are now deleted, that’s what this post is in response to in the first place.
federation works as intended
Dumb mfs: FUcK lEmMy.wOrld pOwEr tRipers rreEEeE
Guess which is the reddit clone.
Good to know just so I know to go to an instance that doesn’t block this community. I don’t blame .world for being careful. This is indeed the Fediverse working as intended.
I think that people are more upset that it was done only after a troll complained about it on the support or admin community.
Yeah, that was a dumb reason, I agree. But I also think it was inevitable with .world being the biggest instance. They’re the first place in Lemmy any corporation will go to if they wanna sue.
I also just thought that, given how thoroughly downvoted that post and all its OP’s comments were, it makes the Admins of Lemmy.world look like they’ve actively gone against popular opinion. Psychologically, mobs tend to dislike that appearance.
That’s true. The reasons given were unsatisfyingly vague.
Like, I think people are upset about blocking the piracy communities, sure, but I think that the real issue is that it feels like everyone is just vibing, doing their thing on their lemmy instances, then this troll comes in all fake concerned about breaking rules, gets utterly piled on naturally, only for the admins in question to come in and “side” with the “loser” in people’s eyes.
Yeah, I agree with that. It’s not the blocking that’s such an issue, it’s how they came to decide to do it. Definitely wasn’t handled well. I wonder if the (even more) downtime they’ve been having recently is a result of more people being pissed about this move piling on to the DDOS attacks?
There’s nothing to sue? They could go after an instance owner, sure, but I’m reasonably sure that there’s still Section 230 safe harbor protections for “service providers”, which to my knowledge could easily be the owner/admin of a fediverse instance. Perhaps it’ll need to be litigated in the courts, which is unfortunate for whoever gets stuck being the trailblazer.
Each instance owner is running these instances themselves, presumably out of the home, for free.
They could go after an instance owner, sure, but
There’s no “but”. They could fight a lawsuit, sure, but that’s time consuming and expensive, and why bother? The piracy isn’t coming from their instance, why should they have to fight a lawsuit for it? Piracy has its own instance, nothing has been defederated, they’re just not hosting the content on their server to save themselves the hassle down the road. I can’t imagine they’ll be the only one.
Sure, but doesn’t it suck that it doesn’t matter what the law says? Do you think it’ll ever change if everyone rolls over and isolates undesirable communities (think beyond piracy to other things like adult content, or content from marginalised groups)
They won’t really have to fight a lawsuit because it would just be thrown out.
Lawsuits don’t generally just throw themselves out. You have to pay a lawyer to show up and ask the judge to throw out the lawsuit on account of the fact that you don’t host the thing, or whatever the reason is.
Judges don’t go out and do research; if one side’s lawyer says Whirlybird runs The Pirate Bay out of their kitchen and the other side’s lawyer isn’t there, then the court is going to proceed as though that is at least plausible.
Many of us have at least one secondary account, for whatever reason. Lemmy instances are run by people, but some entitled assholes are acting like admins are musk or something.
I sympathise with instance admins without the ability to risk a court fight, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t those out there who would welcome such a challenge, and I don’t think they should be pressured to cave if they’re inclined not to.
Instance management styles reflect the variety of human personalities and tastes. There will always be a few power trippers, but at least now we can escape. Fuck u/[email protected]
If some people love piracy that much, they can use an account in the respective instance. Everyone happy, no harm done.
True, I agree, it’s not a big deal, just another account, but I can live with it, yes.
PS: but there is still a case to be made for eclectic instances that host a variety of content. Otherwise, if you pile all piracy with porn, weed and whatever legal gray areas it will be easier to pick them off. Same with politics, debatable science, etc.
Completely agree.
Made the switch from lemmy.world the other day due to this. Not necessarily because of who they defederated/blocked, but because this happens with little/no consultation or communication with the user base. The frequency of it became frustrating; who knows what other community/instance will be blocked on a whim next?
I appreciate that the LW admins do this as a hobby in their free time, but things like this could be approached in a better way, or at the very least with better communication. I found out about this via a post in /c/mildlyinfuriating, which in itself was mildly infuriating lol.
Migrated to this instance, and I can choose via Connect which instances or communities I want to see. Should have done this sooner.
