I agree with this. Why should you have to write an essay to join a server which communites you might not even chose to interact with? Completely ridiculous
if you don’t wanna apply, then don’t apply, simple as that, just join one of the generic ones without an approval process.
the application requirement exists for a reason: many communities only want certain kind of people in their server, if you’re not a match, and you know it, then why bother even trying or complaining about it? find another one that’s your match because you aren’t their match either.
Don’t think anyone was confused about how to exercise free will. The criticism is on needing/having the process. Everyone understands why it exists. Some just think it’s a poor reason.
Yeah. I don’t know how to argue for it. It seems obvious to me that some communities have standards to keep and an open borders policy is an automatic way of not keeping those standards.
that’s not “open borders”, that’s equivalent to a visa request that will very likely be denied if the border agent decides he doesn’t like it, so my reasoning stands
I’m sorry but your reasoning is flawed in so many other ways that confronting all o the issues would require writing an essay which I have already involuntarliy started thanks to your complete idiocy. To start with: essays can easily be fabricated or automatically generated. There is no guarantee of any kind that a person is a ceirtan way because he sent some text over the internet assuring anyone of those qualities. There is no way to trust any server unless it’s invite only where people only invite friends they know can be trusted. If that’s how lemmy will end up then it will never be able to replace reddit. Having to interact with lunatics like you make me realize that lemmy is sure to die
essays can easily be fabricated or automatically generated
sure, i’ve done it, it’s very easy to write one.
There is no guarantee of any kind that a person is a ceirtan way because he sent some text over the internet assuring anyone of those qualities
100% agreed
There is no way to trust any server unless it’s invite only where people only invite friends they know can be trusted
50% agreed. People’s trust is easily gained sometimes and abusing this trust for invites is easy too sometimes. I first-hand saw a scammer become a rich guy’s “right hand” and this scammer scammed the guy over the course of a year and then destroyed the guy’s entire enterprise. Invites can be abused too.
If that’s how lemmy will end up then it will never be able to replace reddit
who the fuck thinks lemmy can “replace” reddit? that’s absolutely retarded. Reddit is a multi-billion enterprise and easily the biggest content aggregator in the world. Lemmy has what, 15k people? A few genocide denial devs that are slowing adoption due to political people disliking it? A federated infrastructure build in people’s smol virtual private servers and laptops in their garage running software? Lemmy may replace Reddit 5 years, but this tiny blackout will do jack shit against Reddit, it’s just bad publicity that may delay their IPO for a few months until people forget.
The goal should be to take in as many people for now. As you say, the goal should be to broaden the net to get as many people. Expand servers, expand nets, welcome, and repeat, and then focus on other stuff. I don’t see the goal as complete replacement of the network in the world stage but replacing it for those unsatisfied with reddit and that’s very easy to do, just grab a shitton of people, give them a good place and that’s it, they will make their own home there and if it’s open source they will themselves make it better.
Having to interact with lunatics like you make me realize that lemmy is sure to die
it will not die. just as reddit will not die. it’s growing, and it’s federated, and it’s open source. at the very worst case scenario, people will clone the repo, make their own shit like kbin.social and slowly move from instance to instance till they get some comfort zone. i don’t think lemmy and its derivates will stop growing in the medium term just cuz reddit is giving free ads to alternatives by being shitheads.
Lemmy is worthless without users. We need people to switch from reddit to lemmy. If you get new users to belive that lemmy is not like reddit, they won’t switch. Making you write an essay to join a server will get the average person thinking that joining a server is a big deal and mak the conclusion that lemmy will be fragmented and not like reddit and promptly quit making an account on any server. You seem to have a lot of faith in people being willing to understand how lemmy works but the average person will not be idealistic and only check to see if it can be a replacement for reddit.
Your mindset is activley killing lemmy and I want lemmy to grow. Your asshole attitude isn’t helping you make your point either.
Generic users should at first join a recommended server. Those don’t require essays. If they wanna join some niche server that has “high standards” in one way or another, then they shouldn’t expect the same requirements.
If you wanna promote lemmy, suggest ppl join any of the recommended servers that don’t require essays. I see no incompatibility with mass adoption (what you propose) and some servers not allowing everyone to join. Just promote the ones that do allow everyone to join and don’t promote any list of servers that puts the essay-requiring ones at the top cuz, as you say, that will obviously make it so very few people join.
I personally joined https://sh.itjust.works because it’s basically open borders and doesn’t require absolutely anything, not even an e-mail address. I just tapped a name and a password clicked registered and I was in. Promote shit like this instead of the picky ones. I don’t see what’s so hard about just giving the right links to ppl.
Not to mention that even after you do the essay, it takes forever to get approval on a lot of places. I signed up on lemmy.one first, and couldn’t log in for a long time…then signed up at beehaw.org. My lemmy.one account finally became active yesterday, while my beehaw.org one still hasn’t been activated, and it’s been 3 days.
I didn’t mind writing an essay, because I had already browsed Beehaw and read all their philosophy links and I really liked it. I had read the blurbs on the other instances (there were only 70-something then)…. So I might tend to over-do stuff anyway. :)
Because with a federated model, servers can have different rulesets for their members, and and whitelists are an easy way of enforcing that.
Sucks for the users, good for the admins. If you have an alternative method for this, feel free to make a PR to lemmy and let server admins know of your update.
If you can’t code and don’t want to learn to code, but it’s still important to you, you can hire a developer on fiver to help you.
I would like to see lemmy succeed but I don’t care enough to spend money or precious time for it. Your way of writing makes you seem like a really unpleasant person to be forced to interact with IRL
Servers could certainly curtail or contain some of the information of their members, but then again, if those servers restrict the ability to access other communities by a large amount, the userbase of that server would be pretty pisspoor and ignorant.
Still, I think it’s important to reflect on the unpleasantries initiated here, so bear that in mind.
They need to do away with the ridiculous manual approval process on most servers and recommend servers that forego it on the main site.
I agree with this. Why should you have to write an essay to join a server which communites you might not even chose to interact with? Completely ridiculous
if you don’t wanna apply, then don’t apply, simple as that, just join one of the generic ones without an approval process.
the application requirement exists for a reason: many communities only want certain kind of people in their server, if you’re not a match, and you know it, then why bother even trying or complaining about it? find another one that’s your match because you aren’t their match either.
Don’t think anyone was confused about how to exercise free will. The criticism is on needing/having the process. Everyone understands why it exists. Some just think it’s a poor reason.
Yeah. I don’t know how to argue for it. It seems obvious to me that some communities have standards to keep and an open borders policy is an automatic way of not keeping those standards.
There are servers with “open borders” that require lengthy essays. Your reasoning is irrelivant
that’s not “open borders”, that’s equivalent to a visa request that will very likely be denied if the border agent decides he doesn’t like it, so my reasoning stands
I’m sorry but your reasoning is flawed in so many other ways that confronting all o the issues would require writing an essay which I have already involuntarliy started thanks to your complete idiocy. To start with: essays can easily be fabricated or automatically generated. There is no guarantee of any kind that a person is a ceirtan way because he sent some text over the internet assuring anyone of those qualities. There is no way to trust any server unless it’s invite only where people only invite friends they know can be trusted. If that’s how lemmy will end up then it will never be able to replace reddit. Having to interact with lunatics like you make me realize that lemmy is sure to die
sure, i’ve done it, it’s very easy to write one.
100% agreed
50% agreed. People’s trust is easily gained sometimes and abusing this trust for invites is easy too sometimes. I first-hand saw a scammer become a rich guy’s “right hand” and this scammer scammed the guy over the course of a year and then destroyed the guy’s entire enterprise. Invites can be abused too.
it will not die. just as reddit will not die. it’s growing, and it’s federated, and it’s open source. at the very worst case scenario, people will clone the repo, make their own shit like kbin.social and slowly move from instance to instance till they get some comfort zone. i don’t think lemmy and its derivates will stop growing in the medium term just cuz reddit is giving free ads to alternatives by being shitheads.
Lemmy is worthless without users. We need people to switch from reddit to lemmy. If you get new users to belive that lemmy is not like reddit, they won’t switch. Making you write an essay to join a server will get the average person thinking that joining a server is a big deal and mak the conclusion that lemmy will be fragmented and not like reddit and promptly quit making an account on any server. You seem to have a lot of faith in people being willing to understand how lemmy works but the average person will not be idealistic and only check to see if it can be a replacement for reddit. Your mindset is activley killing lemmy and I want lemmy to grow. Your asshole attitude isn’t helping you make your point either.
Generic users should at first join a recommended server. Those don’t require essays. If they wanna join some niche server that has “high standards” in one way or another, then they shouldn’t expect the same requirements.
If you wanna promote lemmy, suggest ppl join any of the recommended servers that don’t require essays. I see no incompatibility with mass adoption (what you propose) and some servers not allowing everyone to join. Just promote the ones that do allow everyone to join and don’t promote any list of servers that puts the essay-requiring ones at the top cuz, as you say, that will obviously make it so very few people join.
I personally joined https://sh.itjust.works because it’s basically open borders and doesn’t require absolutely anything, not even an e-mail address. I just tapped a name and a password clicked registered and I was in. Promote shit like this instead of the picky ones. I don’t see what’s so hard about just giving the right links to ppl.
Not to mention that even after you do the essay, it takes forever to get approval on a lot of places. I signed up on lemmy.one first, and couldn’t log in for a long time…then signed up at beehaw.org. My lemmy.one account finally became active yesterday, while my beehaw.org one still hasn’t been activated, and it’s been 3 days.
Just curious, what’s the point of having an account at multiple? I was under the impression you could use one anywhere to use it everywhere.
you realize you can still view the communities without logging in, and decide whether you vibe with it.
also, I noticed quite a few instances had pinned posts introducing the instance to new people and telling them about what the instance stood for.
I didn’t mind writing an essay, because I had already browsed Beehaw and read all their philosophy links and I really liked it. I had read the blurbs on the other instances (there were only 70-something then)…. So I might tend to over-do stuff anyway. :)
Because with a federated model, servers can have different rulesets for their members, and and whitelists are an easy way of enforcing that.
Sucks for the users, good for the admins. If you have an alternative method for this, feel free to make a PR to lemmy and let server admins know of your update.
If you can’t code and don’t want to learn to code, but it’s still important to you, you can hire a developer on fiver to help you.
I would like to see lemmy succeed but I don’t care enough to spend money or precious time for it. Your way of writing makes you seem like a really unpleasant person to be forced to interact with IRL
Thanks I guess.
You’re good.
Buddy rage quit? Must have been a troll.
Servers could certainly curtail or contain some of the information of their members, but then again, if those servers restrict the ability to access other communities by a large amount, the userbase of that server would be pretty pisspoor and ignorant.
Still, I think it’s important to reflect on the unpleasantries initiated here, so bear that in mind.
I don’t speak for how server admins vet the approvals but I know for sure it helps to avoid bots. Or used to avoid bots prior to chatgpt.