Damn, what sort of connection are you running? I feel like you’d be getting throttled, assuming throttling isn’t strictly illegal (side note: genuinely, thank you, People’s Republic of Massachusetts ❤️)
Fiber, 8gbps through Quantum Fiber (part of the Lumen/Centurylink family). No throttling here…
My bottleneck is the vpn that I have to have between me and the world… unfortunately. I only trust specific private trackers to not use it. I actually setup 4 seed boxes (VMs) in my garage to push more data out.
Proxmox cluster… and big storage truenas node.
And a dirty amount of networking… big cables on the right is QSFP, 40gbps 2x in lagg per server.
These pictures were just after a transplant to a new server rack. So everything is off… but the blinkin’ lights are real.
Edit:
Didn’t turn off anything before I ran these…
So about that… I actually got solar installed on my house and when the “electrician” (subbed out contractor with dubious credentials but was operating under a legit company) ran dedicated breakers for the servers… the junction box caught fire.
That was a fun 2am to wake up at.
But it’s pretty safe now. Have had several master electricians come in and evaluate it all at this point and all of them are happy with it now.
I live in a geo-stable location… Lots of DCs here specifically because of that.
house fire,
Yep. Fire extinguishers are in house, and I check them pretty regularly… Blaze cut is in the junction box(now) and in the rack. Rack is in garage, so I can just unplug and push it the fuck out (assuming I have time after throwing my kids out the windows).
It was actually my setup that alerted me to the junction fire pre-emptively… as power usage was fluctuating wildly and I have Home Assistant alert on that sort of stuff. It only sparked and blew some insulation… The fire didn’t actually move anywhere meaningful and I cut power before it had a chance to get worse. My fire alarm itself is also tied into HASS at this point. So I get alerts on my phone for the rare occasion that I leave my house (most [99%] of my work is work from home, I go to a datacenter probably quarterly at this point for all of an hour).
flood,
We barely get rain :(. But because of the soil here there’s lots of washes and irrigation mitigations in place already.
volcano,
Yellowstone finally going up will just outright kill me… don’t care to mitigate this at that point. There’s no other active volcanos around.
tornado, hurricane,
Doesn’t happen here. Dust devils are about as bad as it gets.
crashing plane,
So there’s 2 ways to look at this one… I live near an AirForce base. Either they fuck up and I’m more at risk… or because the area around the base is no-fly zone, I’m less likely… I don’t know take your pick. I would hope “less likely” due to training… but I’ve seen stupid shit when I was in the military.
theft, nazis, shitty kids, anarchists,
Guns…I have guns. Lots of ammo. A good setup for cameras on my house. And no fucks to give as army training and a deployment has forced onto me. My state is a stand your ground state. If it’s my kids that are the shitty kids… I have a backyard and a shovel (/s).
or rain?
See “flood” above.
Other sources of water (water leak): no pipes above the server rack… Water heater isn’t that close, has a freezer in between to take the brunt of any initial impact, and is brand new (so unlikely to spontaneously explode). Rack is elevated on it’s coasters and garage is graded towards the street.
We can get some interesting thunder storms here. Rack is grounded, I have backup batteries in the rack and whole house battery from the solar. But luck be what it is, in theory that could nail me as unlikely as it is.
Everything is encrypted at rest… Backups are encrypted.
I don’t have a proepr offsite yet. But my cousin is finishing building his house. He also has a fat internet pipe, and I’ll just leave a 25TB node there to backup the important/unreplaceable stuff over there. He’s clear across the country in a pretty geo-stable location as well. And he has an interest in maintaining it as he uses some services that I offer anyway (Email, nextcloud, backups, etc…). Everything else is pretty replaceable and wouldn’t take all that much effort to rebuild otherwise.
Never claimed I was “perfect”… But I’m doing pretty well here and have been doing it for nearly a decade this way. With ~30 years worth of data and very little of it lost. (there was one event over a decade ago at this point… but wasn’t all that bad.)
The real risk is just me doing something stupid since I’m the sole owner and nobody else really knows how to access any of my stuff. My dad has emergency access to my password vault, but even though he’s been programming since the 80’s, a lot of my setup is likely over his head.
All this other stuff is pretty low risk/unlikely or has been relatively decently mitigated.
Edit: Oh… and some certain important items are burned to M-discs and put into my safe every quarter or so.
I’m gonna guess incremental increases over the years, and snapping up used enterprise stuff on fire sale. It’s actually pretty feasible to do if you know where to look for this stuff.
More or less exactly this. Most of my servers are company decommission (some companies have a strict upgrade cycle, and I even have like 3 more “spares” sitting around). I’ve found some government liquidation here and there as well which has been great for resale to recoup some of what I spend. I have something like 4TB of Ram sitting in a box somewhere that I should sell somewhere…
Some stuff was “decent” ebay buys. A few items I just had to pony up for. Battery backups was mostly paid at full msrp, but has been worth it. HDDs are mostly “refurb” and built up over time as well, which is why raidz2 and several spares in the zfs pool.
But yeah, about 10 years of building it up. I use it as my playground for professional development, and it’s helped prove a lot of what I say on my resume.
When you have a functional setup like this, and can show that to potential employer. It’s been the best sole investment I’ve ever made. It’s netted me more money in contracts by many many times what I put into it.
Edit: and saved me from countless “cloud” privacy violations, data breaches, etc…
Edit2: Recurring costs is basically energy. The rack itself uses about 90kWh a day (about $5/day for me), cooling and all. My solar install creates just about that much per day as well so that’s all offset (and if I ever move my equipment into a colo, my house will basically have no electric bill at all). Internet is $165 a month, which is fucking great IMO… VPN is paid every 3 years or whatever that cycle is on. If I was to just take the non-replaceable stuff (about 20tb worth of data at last check, and a bunch of lxc containers) and put that on a VPS somewhere I’d be paying at least 10x what I do now in someone else’s datacenter, forget that that’s a recurring monthly cost.
Edit3: Just because it is likely useful information for SOMEONE out there… If you know that your setup takes 10kWh a day, you need to account for another %50 for cooling, so you should actually expect 15kWh in that usecase. My actual rack uses ~60… 30 more is cooling. I actually have all my power usages broken out in a sankey graph… Even goes further to break it down on a per server usage as well, but I can’t take a reasonable screenshot that doesn’t show personal information. This is 24 hours of usage (specifically 04/30, yesterday) and “garage dedicated” is what the A/C unit I have in the bottom of my rack is plugged into.
I’m in an apartment currently; the footprint I’m willing to allocate to a server amounts to a full-size ATX case, and a bunch of small ebay’d lenovo thin clients (plus a handful of rPi’s and similar SBCs). When I finally am able to get a house with some actual project space, I aspire to build something approaching your setup over time.
I started on cluster (8) of rpi3b and a Synology NAS 10 years ago… prior to that was just storing it all on random hdd (harddrive toaster was alway present and loaded on my desk) and on my computer. these days you can get those little intel n100 or n150 boxes for pretty cheap too. There’s a lot of options, and a lot of mature software tech to make it all work well together.
It’s been enough to just seed behind a VPN at this scale? I’d like to do something similar one day at smaller scale but I’m a bit fearful.
In my youth I used to operate my own and admin on other ROM sites. The smart move then was Asian server hosts who would take anonymous payments with no personal info attached to the accounts. But we were still worried of Nintendo, keeping safe was a bit scary.
But they never went after us. It was easier for them to just go after people hosting in the USA under their real names.
But that’s centralized, different ballpark from p2p. I used to use mullvad for torrents until they removed port forwarding.
Let’s just say that I do my part seeding Linux ISOs.
~72 TB uploaded the past 30 days.
I am unfortunately the epitome of a data hoarder. I still have files that I generated/created 30 years ago…
Damn, what sort of connection are you running? I feel like you’d be getting throttled, assuming throttling isn’t strictly illegal (side note: genuinely, thank you, People’s Republic of Massachusetts ❤️)
Fiber, 8gbps through Quantum Fiber (part of the Lumen/Centurylink family). No throttling here…
My bottleneck is the vpn that I have to have between me and the world… unfortunately. I only trust specific private trackers to not use it. I actually setup 4 seed boxes (VMs) in my garage to push more data out.
Proxmox cluster… and big storage truenas node.
And a dirty amount of networking… big cables on the right is QSFP, 40gbps 2x in lagg per server.
These pictures were just after a transplant to a new server rack. So everything is off… but the blinkin’ lights are real.
Edit: Didn’t turn off anything before I ran these…
Jfc please make sure that’s hazard proof and don’t get raided. People like you legitimately make the world go round.
So about that… I actually got solar installed on my house and when the “electrician” (subbed out contractor with dubious credentials but was operating under a legit company) ran dedicated breakers for the servers… the junction box caught fire.
That was a fun 2am to wake up at.
But it’s pretty safe now. Have had several master electricians come in and evaluate it all at this point and all of them are happy with it now.
What about things like earthquakes, house fire, flood, volcano, tornado, hurricane, crashing plane, theft, nazis, shitty kids, anarchists, or rain?
I live in a geo-stable location… Lots of DCs here specifically because of that.
Yep. Fire extinguishers are in house, and I check them pretty regularly… Blaze cut is in the junction box(now) and in the rack. Rack is in garage, so I can just unplug and push it the fuck out (assuming I have time after throwing my kids out the windows).
It was actually my setup that alerted me to the junction fire pre-emptively… as power usage was fluctuating wildly and I have Home Assistant alert on that sort of stuff. It only sparked and blew some insulation… The fire didn’t actually move anywhere meaningful and I cut power before it had a chance to get worse. My fire alarm itself is also tied into HASS at this point. So I get alerts on my phone for the rare occasion that I leave my house (most [99%] of my work is work from home, I go to a datacenter probably quarterly at this point for all of an hour).
We barely get rain :(. But because of the soil here there’s lots of washes and irrigation mitigations in place already.
Yellowstone finally going up will just outright kill me… don’t care to mitigate this at that point. There’s no other active volcanos around.
Doesn’t happen here. Dust devils are about as bad as it gets.
So there’s 2 ways to look at this one… I live near an AirForce base. Either they fuck up and I’m more at risk… or because the area around the base is no-fly zone, I’m less likely… I don’t know take your pick. I would hope “less likely” due to training… but I’ve seen stupid shit when I was in the military.
Guns…I have guns. Lots of ammo. A good setup for cameras on my house. And no fucks to give as army training and a deployment has forced onto me. My state is a stand your ground state. If it’s my kids that are the shitty kids… I have a backyard and a shovel (/s).
See “flood” above.
Other sources of water (water leak): no pipes above the server rack… Water heater isn’t that close, has a freezer in between to take the brunt of any initial impact, and is brand new (so unlikely to spontaneously explode). Rack is elevated on it’s coasters and garage is graded towards the street.
We can get some interesting thunder storms here. Rack is grounded, I have backup batteries in the rack and whole house battery from the solar. But luck be what it is, in theory that could nail me as unlikely as it is.
Everything is encrypted at rest… Backups are encrypted.
I don’t have a proepr offsite yet. But my cousin is finishing building his house. He also has a fat internet pipe, and I’ll just leave a 25TB node there to backup the important/unreplaceable stuff over there. He’s clear across the country in a pretty geo-stable location as well. And he has an interest in maintaining it as he uses some services that I offer anyway (Email, nextcloud, backups, etc…). Everything else is pretty replaceable and wouldn’t take all that much effort to rebuild otherwise.
Never claimed I was “perfect”… But I’m doing pretty well here and have been doing it for nearly a decade this way. With ~30 years worth of data and very little of it lost. (there was one event over a decade ago at this point… but wasn’t all that bad.)
The real risk is just me doing something stupid since I’m the sole owner and nobody else really knows how to access any of my stuff. My dad has emergency access to my password vault, but even though he’s been programming since the 80’s, a lot of my setup is likely over his head.
All this other stuff is pretty low risk/unlikely or has been relatively decently mitigated.
Edit: Oh… and some certain important items are burned to M-discs and put into my safe every quarter or so.
How do you afford all this?
I’m gonna guess incremental increases over the years, and snapping up used enterprise stuff on fire sale. It’s actually pretty feasible to do if you know where to look for this stuff.
More or less exactly this. Most of my servers are company decommission (some companies have a strict upgrade cycle, and I even have like 3 more “spares” sitting around). I’ve found some government liquidation here and there as well which has been great for resale to recoup some of what I spend. I have something like 4TB of Ram sitting in a box somewhere that I should sell somewhere…
Some stuff was “decent” ebay buys. A few items I just had to pony up for. Battery backups was mostly paid at full msrp, but has been worth it. HDDs are mostly “refurb” and built up over time as well, which is why raidz2 and several spares in the zfs pool.
But yeah, about 10 years of building it up. I use it as my playground for professional development, and it’s helped prove a lot of what I say on my resume.
When you have a functional setup like this, and can show that to potential employer. It’s been the best sole investment I’ve ever made. It’s netted me more money in contracts by many many times what I put into it.
Edit: and saved me from countless “cloud” privacy violations, data breaches, etc…
Edit2: Recurring costs is basically energy. The rack itself uses about 90kWh a day (about $5/day for me), cooling and all. My solar install creates just about that much per day as well so that’s all offset (and if I ever move my equipment into a colo, my house will basically have no electric bill at all). Internet is $165 a month, which is fucking great IMO… VPN is paid every 3 years or whatever that cycle is on. If I was to just take the non-replaceable stuff (about 20tb worth of data at last check, and a bunch of lxc containers) and put that on a VPS somewhere I’d be paying at least 10x what I do now in someone else’s datacenter, forget that that’s a recurring monthly cost.
Edit3: Just because it is likely useful information for SOMEONE out there… If you know that your setup takes 10kWh a day, you need to account for another %50 for cooling, so you should actually expect 15kWh in that usecase. My actual rack uses ~60… 30 more is cooling. I actually have all my power usages broken out in a sankey graph… Even goes further to break it down on a per server usage as well, but I can’t take a reasonable screenshot that doesn’t show personal information. This is 24 hours of usage (specifically 04/30, yesterday) and “garage dedicated” is what the A/C unit I have in the bottom of my rack is plugged into.
I’m in an apartment currently; the footprint I’m willing to allocate to a server amounts to a full-size ATX case, and a bunch of small ebay’d lenovo thin clients (plus a handful of rPi’s and similar SBCs). When I finally am able to get a house with some actual project space, I aspire to build something approaching your setup over time.
I started on cluster (8) of rpi3b and a Synology NAS 10 years ago… prior to that was just storing it all on random hdd (harddrive toaster was alway present and loaded on my desk) and on my computer. these days you can get those little intel n100 or n150 boxes for pretty cheap too. There’s a lot of options, and a lot of mature software tech to make it all work well together.
It’s been enough to just seed behind a VPN at this scale? I’d like to do something similar one day at smaller scale but I’m a bit fearful.
In my youth I used to operate my own and admin on other ROM sites. The smart move then was Asian server hosts who would take anonymous payments with no personal info attached to the accounts. But we were still worried of Nintendo, keeping safe was a bit scary.
But they never went after us. It was easier for them to just go after people hosting in the USA under their real names.
But that’s centralized, different ballpark from p2p. I used to use mullvad for torrents until they removed port forwarding.
Probably years of passion. Possibly a career related to this stuff.
Ngl I am quite envious. That’s awesome.