but didn’t Soviet attack subs wait outside the home ports for the SSBNs to try to stay on their tail, and they never managed to?

I wouldn’t be surprised.

But I know one of the most classified parts of a sub, is what the propeller looks like. Because then you could determine what it sounds like.

Knowing one was at X location at Y time is dangerous because then recordings can be compared to other periods and if anything stands out…

Then you can search for that.

It’s just a whole lot of risk in area we go thru ridiculous pains to minimize any risk, for no legit payoff.

There’s just no logic behind this move or rationalization of it.

There’s a lot of noise around a harbour, and unlikely to be opposition right outside.

Completely different than middle of the ocean.

Lets say you’re a firefighter.

You get called to 100 America Street.

You show up and that house is burnt down. It’s just smoldering ruins. But 102 America St is still standing, their garage is on fire tho

Would you try to save 102? Or spray water on the remains of 100?

By the time 100 is completely extinguished, 102 might be too far gone.

So I’m saying ignore the lost cause for now. And focus on saving the only other house on the street.

Let me know what we should do and I will be there.

I used to say “vote in the primaries”

But with the way the DNC has been acting, that’s not enough anymore.

The solution isn’t easy, and it won’t be quick.

But the first step is Dem voters having higher standards than “not a Republican”.

If you think it’s too late now, then it’s going to be too late in every future election.

The sad thing is climate change will take us out and cause more suffering than a true WW3 will ever do

Same solution.

Politicians don’t have to be terrible, they can look out for citizens. But unless voters have standards, we’ll keep settling for corrupt pieces of shit.

And don’t dismiss that they’d kill to know the location of a SSBN at any time under normal conditions.

Like, I don’t know how high of a federal clearance you e ever gotten, but literally everything about a SSBNs schedule is at least secret. The people on them don’t even know where they are 99% of the time.

Russia isn’t shooting down a nuke anyways, it doesn’t matter where it’s coming from, it’s hitting what it’s aimed.

It’s literally an intercontinental ballistic missile…

https://www.salon.com/2022/03/03/why-scientists-still-cant-figure-out-how-to-intercept-icbms/

America isn’t even confident we could shoot one of NK’s down. We could launch from a SSBN literally on the other side of the planet and absolutely nothing would stop it from hitting Moscow.

We gave up valuable intelligence for literally zero reason.

It shows that we’re irrational for doing it. Or even worse, that we thought Russia is so irrational that they needed to see it. Making both of us irrational.

The entire reason SSBNs are the threat they are, is you can only beat a ICBM by taking it out before it launches, and no one has a clue where the SSBNs are.

When were acting rational and want a show of force. We park an LHD or even Aircraft Carrier squadron off a coast.

Edit:

Like, if Russia happened to have sonar going in that area, and they just saw it surface…

They can compare sound signatures of that time period and may possibly isolate the distinctive sound of a SSBN. Something they’ve been trying to find for decades and could possibly lead to them being able to find SSBNs out in the wild.

This is a god awful decision that has potentially huge ramifications…

I get people wouldn’t know about all of this, but that doesn’t mean it’s not a big deal.

I’ve been paying attention for decades, hell, I was in the military. I definitely paid more attention to geopolitics back then. Because even idle threats and shows of force directly effected my life.

Shits not how it used to be. It’s a lot worse now. And people ignoring it just makes it keep getting worse.

I’ve never wanted to be wrong about anything more than WW3…

But I keep seeing all these articles that make it really look like WW3 is right around the corner…

Like, the entire point of SSBNs is to hide and no one knows where they are. Popping up just to flex is not a good sign. It’s trading the actual point of their existence (no one knows where our nukes are) for a show of force.

It’s not a rational choice to do this, Russia knows we have SSBNs all over the globe, they don’t need to actually see one and know where it is

So…

It’s almost a year old, people keep talking about 4chan, and the top posts of “all time” are homophobic and low-key racist…

https://tiblur.com/social/trending

Why would normal people go there instead of Lemmy? And why would homophobic racists go there instead of 4chan?

It’s not money, cuz everything being done with in a product blows.

It’s about money, because the people making the shit products want to make money, not good products.

Capitalism always leads to “how shitty of a product will people still buy”

Israel and Hezbollah have been exchanging rocket fire, and Israel is talking about a ground invasion.

Hezbollah has a defense treaty with Iran, Iraq, Russia, and another ME country I’m blanking on.

If Israel invaded Lebanon in an attack on Hezbollah, that draws in Russia, and likely NK.

Israel and Russia are the two countries invading others that I believe are the primary drivers towards WW3. NK is just a long for the ride until/unless they launch an attack on SK.

But I think before that happens, we’ll solidly be in WW3. I think NK is onboard now, with the promise to be backed against SK later. No one is attack NK unless NK starts some shit, they don’t need a defense treaty.

They also forget about the 4+1 treaty.

If Israel expands to other countries, it would draw Russia in on their side, and the US on Israel’s

Which now also brings NK in. And we’ve got a multi front multi country war with two distinct fronts.

People might not call it WW3, but there’s a world war coming straight ahead, and as good of a movie as it was, I dont want to recreate the Titanic

You mean Russia and NK?

Or you meant the two countries in the middle of illegal invasions: Russia and Israel?

I hope everyone that keeps down voting me for talking about WW3 are right…

But man, it really is starting to look like WW3

Israel has acknowledged some military strikes on humanitarian workers, including an April attack that killed seven workers with the World Central Kitchen and has denied allegations of others.

So Israel doesn’t want any aid to Gaza…

Have killed aid workers multiple times…

And now aid workers are being pulled because Israel keeps killing them.

Sounds like the UN is negotiating with a terrorist state.

You act like Biden cares about US or international law…

I used to think he did, but he clearly doesn’t.

Instead, they said Biden has noted, Obama publicly admonished Israel’s actions and voiced concern for Palestinian civilian deaths early into the 2014 conflict. As a result, Biden has argued, Obama squandered any ability to influence the Israeli government as it invaded Gaza, said the people familiar with his comments.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/biden-obama-divide-closely-support-israel-rcna127107

Now, I don’t want to find something for every president, and I already explained why trump is uniquely unreliable in pretty much every possible way.

But if you wanted to name any other single president, I can put the legwork in for another.

I do want to point I said “pretty sure” meaning I wasn’t completely sure, so not sure why you came back with

Explain why you’re sure of this

User hat:

You deleted a comment I made because you said it was incivil (not going to repeat it, but it’s in the modlog)

Was it because I pointed out that they were denying a genocide?

That’s the only thing that was remotely personal, and if that breaks the rules is it acceptable to instead just link sources explaining how Israel is committing a genocide?

Genocidal denial is just a pretty big deal in my eyes, so I want to know how mods are ok with addressing it. I felt that I was following the sidebar by commenting on the argument and not the user, but apparently I misunderstood something.

I wouldn’t have mentioned it, by their comment denying genocide is literally just a few comments down this chain…

Chikli has since led a targeted push to counter critics of Israel. The Guardian has uncovered evidence showing how Israel has relaunched a controversial entity as part of a broader public relations campaign to target US college campuses and redefine antisemitism in US law.

Seconds after a smoke alarm subsided during the hearing, Chikli assured the lawmakers that there was new money in the budget for a pushback campaign, which was separate from more traditional public relations and paid advertising content produced by the government. It included 80 programs already under way for advocacy efforts “to be done in the ‘Concert’ way”, he said.

The “Concert” remark referred to a sprawling relaunch of a controversial Israeli government program initially known as Kela Shlomo, designed to carry out what Israel called “mass consciousness activities” targeted largely at the US and Europe. Concert, now known as Voices of Israel, previously worked with groups spearheading a campaign to pass so-called “anti-BDS” state laws that penalize Americans for engaging in boycotts or other non-violent protests of Israel.

In the middle of all the propaganda and lobbying, there’s no rational reason to ignore that a foreign government is interfering with American politics for their own gain

It’s fucked when Russia does it.

It’s fucked when Israel does it.

And as long as we keep electing politicians who take the money, nothing will change.

Israel is just smart enough to buy off both parties.

The “intensive” phase of Israel’s offensive in Gaza will soon end, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Sunday — but he signaled he would only accept a “partial” cease-fire deal that would not end the war, and that this new phase would allow a shift in focus to the simmering conflict on the country’s northern border with Lebanon.

1. According to Bibi…

2. And in the same breathe saying he doesn’t want to end the war.

Bibi is facing calls from the left and right in his country to stop stalling the election. If an election happens, he’s not going to win.

So he’s going to keep this war going as long as possible. And is blatantly saying any slow down in Gaza would be to increase attacks on Lebanon.

It’s literally the only thing keeping him in office, because war is his only excuse for not letting Israelis hold a vote.

One side of this has Russia, one side has Israel…

There’s no “good” side, there’s genocidal fascists on both sides.

This is why it matters who we ally with.