Don’t forget the fires and injuries!

A sad day for civility. By trying to ban Nazi-adjacent parties, they’re being just as bad as them.

/S

The news stories seem to just leave out that the Israeli fans stole and burned a Palestinian flag, assaulted a taxi driver and vandalized a taxi, and marched through Amsterdam chanting racist slogans and celebrating dead children in Gaza. Then during the match they disrupted a moment of silence for Spanish flood victims with chant and firecrackers (because Spain acknowledged the genocide and initiated an arms embargo).

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/8/israeli-football-fans-clash-with-protesters-in-amsterdam

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/11/what-happened-amsterdam-israeli-football-fans

But no, instead of a relatively straightforward escalation (still wrong) stemming from foreign racists staging a provocative march and being violent to citizens of the city, we instead just see the news parrot “it was a pogrom on poor Israelis just trying to enjoy some football”.

The post notably included the statement:

that’s not the kind of thing that should happen without the community agreeing to it

With no voices in support in the original post and currently the only two voices in support here being the mods themselves.

Major news organizations believed these quotes were accurate enough to run the story in Israel and Gallant has not issued any countering statement.

Everything in that article was something someone said he said. It’s all reported by the families of hostages that were at the meeting.

If promising some more progressive policy was a clear winner, why wouldn’t they do it? The answer I generally see implied or stated is that the dem establishment doesn’t want that policy, but that isn’t really an adequate explanation, because politicians are perfectly familiar with dishonesty. If supporting some progressive policy they didn’t like would win them power, they’d just promise it and then just not do that thing upon getting elected.

Because their personal motivations are not “maximize the chances for a Democratic win”, but preserve the power of themselves and their allies with money and influence. If these policies become a centerpiece of the election and broadly popularized, it becomes dangerous to ignore it and advances the saliency regardless of the outcome, pushing it closer to someone actually doing it. A campaign that says “the rich are abusing workers to fill their pockets and the government should tax their wealth until there are no billionaires and provide benefits to the workers” is dangerous to the rich people, even if its initially proposed by someone with no intention of following through.

The people you want to blame aren’t here in a politics community. Maybe a few posters here did a protest vote, probably in a safe state where it didn’t matter, but most people here voted. The people who didn’t vote (in numbers meaningful to winning) weren’t sitting down to think about what the world would be like in each outcome and then saying “eh, it’s fine either way”, they were marginal voters who just didn’t really think it was important because politicians either don’t care about them or don’t follow through on promises. They’re just going to check out when you call them or the other politician names, because it’s a tiring endeavor that they don’t care about. You definitely have people in your life that say “they’re not political” and check out as soon as politics is brought up. You’re never going to reach those voters by expressing your disdain in a forum for politically engaged people, the only way to get to them is to actually motivate them to vote en masse with legit campaigns to inspire them that their lives will get better if they take this action.

It’s also just not a meaningful act. The people signing the original letter have the personal power to boycott Israeli cultural institutions. The signers of this letter can only complain. Their writing this doesn’t in any way change the boycott, it’s just writing a response to write a response, and the ham-fisted way they did it doesn’t have much ability to influence anyone who wasn’t already all in on the genocide-denial.

Man, they could have made the letter something that would persuade people about the importance of ideas and how no nation is a monolith, but they just couldn’t help but make it a blatantly “Israel is right” letter.

“We continue to be shocked and disappointed to see members of the literary community harass and ostracise their colleagues because they don’t share a one-sided narrative in response to the greatest massacre of Jews since the Holocaust.

“Israel is fighting existential wars against Hamas and Hezbollah…"

Someone here is obfuscating reality, and it’s not the boycotters. These people are insane.

Trump doing things to women whether they like it or not is kind of his whole deal.

Because the international order is based on economic and military might, not any sort of higher ideal or codified rules.

Absolutely agree. My comment above was focused on whether some minimal amount of CSEM would itself make similar images happen when just prompting for porn, but there are a few mechanics that likely bias a model to creating young-looking faces in porn and with intentional prompt crafting I have no doubt you can at least get an approximation of it.

I’m glad to hear about the models that are intentionally separating adult content from children. That’s a good idea. There’s not really much reason an adult-focused model needs to be mixed with much other data. There’s already so much porn out there. Maybe if you want to tune something unrelated to the naked parts (like the background) or you want some mundane activity, but naked, but neither of those things need kids in them.

I have not personally explored AI porn, but as someone with experience in machine learning and accidental biases that’s not very surprising to me.

On top the of the general societal bias towards youth for “beauty” related roles, smoother and less-featured faces (that in general look younger) are closer to an average face so defaulting to that gets a bit of training boost (when in doubt, target the mean). It’s probably also not helped by youth-related porn keywords (teen, daughter, young) that further associate other porn prompts (even ones not about youth) with non-porn images of underage women that also have those keywords.

I assume any CSEM ingested into these models is absolutely swamped by the massive amount of adult porn that’s much more easily available. A handful of images aren’t going to drive model output in datasets of the scale of the image generation models. Maybe there are keywords that could drill down to be more associated with the child porn, but a lot of “young” type keywords are already plentifully applied to adults, and I imagine accidental child porn ingests are much less likely to be as conveniently labeled.

So maybe you can figure out how to get it to produce child porn, but it probably won’t just randomly produce it for an innocent porn prompt.

If you genocide them enough, then they don’t need leaders at all. Then there will be more lebensraum for the people of proper genetic stock that you think deserve to exist.

And as their assassinations keep pushing the leadership lower and lower down the organizational structure there’s less likelihood whoever is around by the time they negotiate will have the influence to actually command people to cease fighting.

That’s actually a relatively kind interpretation of Netanyahu’s war. The government acknowledged it had received and was considering a proposal by former generals to use starvation to clear northern Gaza.

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/artc-report-israel-testing-aid-freeze-to-north-gaza-to-starve-hamas

Despite the end result being the death of everything within a single lifespan and the eventual destruction of the entire Earth in the new term future, I was surprised it would not be more immediately destructive. 1 cm/s sure sounded like a pretty fast expansion.

If you browse a news aggregator site, you’ll notice how few of the headlines provide any indication the protesters were Jewish rather than just “anti-Israel” or “pro-Palestine”. While the latter is a more precise descriptor of their organizing cause, the former is also a very important aspect for this protest. It’s just not in line with the narrative the corporate news organizations have been cultivating.