Its self hostable now, and I’m my playing around with the self hosted version it seems fine

Its honestly really good now in my experience. Honestly wish people used it instead of Zoom.

Ive been using Jitsi for screen sharing and calls :p

I’m pretty sure its supposed to be Discord. Discords tagline used to start with “Imagine a place where X” which is why theyre saying “Imagine a matrix client” lol

This looks interesting, and if they can get VC & E2EE it will definitely be something I’ll make the switch to from Matrix. As much as I love Matrix, it feels very messy and uncoordinated.

Did you try Cinny?

If they were to be independently audited by multiple Privacy firms and/or open source their codebase I wouldnt be as concerned about giving them data and maybe even paying for something like YTPremium, but as it stands its a black box. I dont know what theyre doing, why should they get to know what I’m doing? Privacy should be a two way street imho. If the cost of privacy is that they wouldnt be able to maintain their infrastructure, I’d rather see their company fail.

Does google/patreon do country/state/county/province tax calculation? I’d be surprised as when I was working DoorDash they wouldnt even do as much as a free trial of TurboTax to get you started. The wrote you a check and it was on you to figure the rest out

This isnt entirely true. They can fingerprint your browser very easily, even if you use always private sessions that delete cookies. Something as simple as the size of your window can be used to identify you.

Yeah this is also a frustration I have. I dont want to sign up for patreon or Google just to support someone. Give me a Kofi, liberapay or monero option.

None of the creators I want to follow are on peertube, and I have no social media to ask them to move, nor do I want to engage with those platforms.

I use CalyxOS and keep airplane mode on when I’m not expecting any calls over the celluar network 🤷‍♂️ I suppose youre right that Ive never seen an ad for Discord, I also just haven’t seen ads in well over 5 years. I did assume they advertised so if Im wrong thats on me. I refuse to be a product and feel others should as well. If people want to sell themselves in exchange for a money-less service I suppose thats their own decision.

Phone number point is stupid to bring up because most public discord servers turn on the setting that prevents you from speaking until you’ve verified a phone number, and I’d trust signal with my number over discord any day of the week. I never said general users should jump ship, I said that the reason they DONT is because other platform dont have the advertising budget, nor the user base to make users jump ship. People act like they give a shit about features but as soon as they can only talk to their friends because they all left for one platform, even if its “worse” because of the feature set, they WILL follow or be left out. Its why I originally joined Discord, I didn’t want to leave Skype but thats where everyone was going. I am now taking the other side where I refuse to use discord. I use Signal and Matrix. if people want to talk to me, they talk to me on there or not at all, and ykno what. Ive gotten 20+ people to switch.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/04/discord-starts-down-the-dangerous-road-of-ads-this-week/

They definitely sell user data. There is no doubt in my mind about it. I think the idea that Signal can’t be used in the same way is down to the marketing, especially sense Discord is now trying to transition away from gaming https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/discord-is-pivoting-away-from-games-to-become-your-place-to-talk- Signal literally has the same features + more than discord. You dont have to reveal your phone number to strangers anymore. Usernames are there. 1k+ member group chats EXIST. (I’m in one for fight for the future), screen sharing exists in calls. Theres no reason to need discord unless thats just where everyone else is.

You can screen share on signal so that argument makes absolutely no sense. and people down voting me without explaining why are probably too stubborn to switch away from discord.

Genuine question who is still using snapchat. I deleted my account ages ago, not because I was on my privacy crusade like I am now, but because I noticed all of my friends stopped using it and everyone else on there was like 5 to 10 years my junior.

There are viable alteratives, but they aren’t making money and can’t advertise. Signal is a prime example, its an amazing platform with feature parity + more to Discord. Regardless of how well a platform is polished, you need users. People will use the shittiest platform ever if it has users (Twitter and Reddit come to mind).

The point was not the amount of money they are making, the point is that regardless you are being sold for profit. Any platform that is ad-driven should be avoided if you want any form of privacy.

Issue with this argument is that if you are found to have hacked their servers and stolen an API key you bet your ass theyre suing you for stealing their property. Their argument is “laws for thee not for me”. I agree with you if we are only talking about copyright law.

If you want Something you can set up and forget, use YUNOHOST, otherwise learn how to use docker containers and pick any server distro. Debian, Fedora Server, Ubuntu Server, MicroOS, hell OpenWrt will all do fine.