If it leads to an actual change - everyone wins.

But I doubt anything will change, with Bibi being the snake he is.

It’s existence is an abomination

And that, kids, is why we have wars. The moment people with power start saying “yeah Israel should exist but also should a Palestinian state” - that’s when we’ll have peace.

Dude that’s like blaming the U.S army for snowden.

The IDF and the Shin Bet are totally different entities

A monopoly isn’t inherently bad, but a monopoly by a state is pretty bad. It means they can exert political pressure over you using that sector’s influence.

Heck, look at Russia and gas. It impacted tons of people all over the world, and if the world hadn’t collectively said “fuck you Russia we’ll handle ourselves without you” - then countries like Germany wouldn’t have a choice but keep buying Russian Gas.

That’s a political power you really don’t wanna give to anyone, especially not China.

Yes, competition could restart, but that’d take time. And you don’t always have that time. Again, see Russia and gas as a nice example for that.

And what’ll be after the disbandment? Hamas who train children with guns and parade naked bodies? Or the PLO who fund families of suicide bombers?

The world either needs to treat Israel as Russia (risking them thinking “we’ve got nothing to lose” and actually genociding Gaza) Or to take the security role off of Israel, and manage Palestinians instead of Israel, who prefer dead Gazans over dead Israelis.

*Bloodthirsty government.

Fuck Netanyahu.

It’s a bit more complicated than that. You don’t want total reliance from one country (especially one as questionable as China) over a whole big ass sector of your economic. And China being super cheap will cause a monopoly of their EVs. That’s bad.

Bad bot. Spoiling lion king is not cool.

That’s an actually really solid case.

I do think though that the world also needs to help Israel in the fight against Hamas. You can’t expect them to both be humane with the same standard as the rest of the west, while they’re the only ones being constantly attacked (and very effectively so).

So while you can and should expect change from the situation, you can’t expect it to come for free and one sidedly.

Please learn to read what he wrote before saying anything.

The few Palestinians that don’t have a refugee status do so, because they were already living in Gaza

He was talking about the 48 war, and their refugee status since then.

Right now Gazans are refugees, yes, but they were considered “refugees” even before this war, when they had a home (which is now probably destroyed since oct.7).

I’m informed, I just also know how to read.

And that kids, is why peace just isn’t thing in the middle east. When you think of the other side as something meant to just be destroyed, don’t be surprised when peace doesn’t last and ceasefires break.

… But jews aren’t considered refugees… I fail to see your point in comparing that, since european jews are indeed not refugees. Their grandparents were refugees after the 2nd world war, but now they’re Israelis or migrated to another country. In both cases, not refugees anymore.

What country did Palestinians migrate to?

because they value their citizens

Hiding hostages in a highly populated residential area, without any means of self defense or even evacuation safe zones, is not called valuing the citizens. It’s called using them as leverage, something terrorists love doing to civilians.

What did the spilling of blood on oct.7 did to Palestinians? Make them live in hell for over 8 months? Make thousands die? And for what, for massacring Israelis? What do you think Hamas has done in oct.7 that would make you think they “value their citizens” - coz to me it only looks like they just wanna kill jews.

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You mean their grandparents were displaced by Israel. They themselves were born in Gaza or the West bank, and should be considered residents of that land. If attempts of trying to “free palestine” by terrorism stop, and plans like Oslo could be continued of establishing a state in the 67 borders, then Palestinians can stop being refugees. Meanwhile no Palestinian organization is doing what’s good for their people - which is to try and make peace over existing borders.

I mean, say what you want but 100% dozens of those 200 are Hamas terrorists. He’s not wrong. Heck, we don’t even know if it was indeed 200 killed.

Also how is nobody here even a bit mad over Hamas hiding hostages in a refugee camp?

Ah yes, so every american shouldn’t ever feel any joy because they were born on stolen land.

Get out of here. Any person saying they want the 48 borders are a lunatic living in la-la land. You only enforce the Israeli twisted view of “there could never be peace with them” by actually showing that you want the genocide of all Israelis, instead of realistic borders of a palestinian state. Fuck you.

Ah yes, well established fact… By who exactly? By kids at universities thousands of kilometers away?

And even if we take your (baseless) estimate of 1:4 ratio, that’s still nowhere close to call it a targeted attack on civilians. Compare it to other urban warfare, and see for yourself, they don’t kill enough civilians to justify any of your claims.

Look at the numbers, and actually base your own opinion, rather than repeating words that people who are very not objective keep repeating. And differentiate between the IDF and the Israeli government. Since they’re vastly different both in world-view (one being extremely corrupt right wing) and in actions done. The racist israeli government expands settlements (and almost sparked a mini civil war between jews and arabs, ahem ahem Ben Gvir), while the IDF manages to supply aid trucks into Gaza, and evacuate Gazans from their (tunnel holes and weapon having) homes.

Basically your whole pov is based on the fact that you think the IDF are targeting civilians. Since you’re clearly set in that opinion, I won’t further that point. Just food for thought: if they really do target civilians… Do you think the numbers would truly be 1:2 Hamas:civilian? If so, then sure. Whatever.

Oh and I’d love a source on that “vast majority of Palestinian prisoners are innocents” claim, since that sounds pretty far fetched, even considering the borderline alt-right current Israeli government.

And I really wish to understand your logic on Hamas not being genocidal… Is firing rockets almost every year towards civilian areas not a “concrete pattern of action”? Also, does genocide must happen towards a religion? What does the victim’s jewishness have anything to do with it?

Hamas wants to exterminate all Israelis. They keep saying it, and before oct.7 everyone thought (like you) that they’re all bark no bite, just saying stuff. That proved to be false. They bite, and they mean what they say. They proved it all too well, and I really don’t see how you fail to see their very really intent to kill all Israelis.

The only thing keeping Israelis from death by Hamas is the IDF. They’d all be dead or relocated (probably dead if we trust their rhetoric, which I do, after seeing their barbarism).

And again, if you truly think the IDF is more barbaric than Hamas, I just have no words. You either haven’t seen the videos hamas posted themselves, or are blinded by hate.

Bombing houses (after evacuation notices, which you call genocidal - I call humane. Do you wish they bombed it without warning in advance?) is soooooo much less barbaric than abusing dead bodies and burning families with their houses (knowingly, and shooting/kidnapping them when they leave).