It’s involuntary action. Not something you choose to do.
The title is essentially an argument against free will. The illusion that you could have done otherwise. Waking up early out of habit is no indication of free will to me.
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It’s involuntary action. Not something you choose to do.
The title is essentially an argument against free will. The illusion that you could have done otherwise. Waking up early out of habit is no indication of free will to me.
To have a strong feeling to have (something); wish (to possess or do something); desire greatly: synonym: desire.
Pick any dictionary definition for it.
Well I can’t think of a voluntary action that people do for any other reason than either wanting to do it or having to do it. That’s the point of the post. Every example I have been given so far is either of those two. It feels like we’re free do to what ever, but in reality we’re only free to do what we want and nobody picked their wants.
Nobody is forcing me to reply to this message. I do it because I want to. If I didn’t want to I wouldn’t but I also don’t know why I enjoy having these debates. I didn’t choose to enjoy it, I just do.
Just give me an example of something you do or could do that you don’t have to but also don’t want to. I don’t think you can. You’re not free to do that.
By have to I mean obligations. You’ve got a meeting at noon, you have to be there. You may not want to, but you have to.
By want I mean every other voluntary action. You’re thirsty and you open the fridge. There’s milk, water and orange juice. Say you grab the orange juice. You did that because you wanted it. To say that you could have chosen milk or water isn’t true. You didn’t want those, you wanted orange juice. If you rewind the clock and open the fridge again you’d still want the orange juice. In that moment you can’t do other than what you want. You can’t choose to not want it. It may be than in a few years you no longer like orange juice so in thay sense your wants may change but then and there in that moment you can’t act against it.
Even if you decide against your preferences to prove a point you’d still be acting according to your wants; you want to prove me wrong and thus you grab the water. That’s still doing what you wanted to do.
Nothing wrong with asking as long as you’re also willing to accept no as an answer. If you’re going to attack them for refusing, then it wasn’t really a question in the first place but rather a demand masked as one.
Also, I’m not sure if this is the correct community to ask this.
It’s what they wanted to do at that time then. Why else would they do it? I mean really, think about it. Why would you choose to do something like that other than it’s what you felt like doing at the time.
I have a bad habit of biting my nails. It would be correct to say that it’s something I do despite not wanting to but that wouldn’t exactly be true because when I catch myself about to do it and I resists, it’s hard because I really want to do it despite knowing I shouldn’t.
It’s more like the person I want to be being in conflict with the person I actually am.
Perfect, just in time to stop Russia from meddling with the 2016 election!
Great, now Putin will have absolutely no way whatsoever to spread his propaganda on Facebook!
I really struggle to see the point of these comments. It’s a valid criticism to say it should’ve been done sooner or they should’ve done more, but doing something is better than doing nothing and also better late than never. So what are these commentors trying to achieve here other than applause and upvotes? This is one of the things my autistic brain has a hard time figuring out about social media. Is it just to say what’s popular so people come and pat you on the back?
People don’t do stuff they don’t want to to because they couldn’t think of anything better to do. If you decide to just stay in and lay in bed because you couldn’t think of anything better to do then laying in bed is what you preferred to do above everything else, otherwise you’d be doing something else.
The argument in the title is essentially an argument against free will. Involuntary actions are outside of your control and are thus for evidence of free will. Stubbing your toe is not something you chose to do. It’s a thing that happened to you.
Well I don’t believe in free will so in my view what ever you do is because you couldn’t have done otherwise. In that sense you “have to” do everything that you do because doing something else would mean breaking free from the laws of physics and deterministic universe.
Whay ever makes someone do the thing in the first place is what would make them do it again, and again, and again no matter how many times they rewind the clock and try again. You’d need to be able to change the order of the universe to break free from the causal chain.
No, I disagree. I didn’t choose not to start smoking. I simply never developed the desire to start. It’s not something I decided against my natural preferences.
It’s besides the point anyway. Even if I could choose to do or not do something it would still be about what I want which aligns with the title of the post.
You can’t do something you don’t want unless someone makes you do it. Even if you do something like go to the gym despite not wanting there’s a greater want behind it that’s pushing you to do it. In this case getting healthy and fit. This means you do want to go to the gym, you just don’t like it.
Either you have to or you want to.
Having a phobia is not something people chose to have, so no freedom there. If a person is afraid of spiders they then want to avoid them at all costs. That aligns with the statement in the title.
You didn’t just choose to not like them, though. That’s not how human psychology works.
So you realized it’s not good for you and you wanted to change the habit. That perfectly aligns with the title of the post.
Yeah, I wanted to be the kind of person that drinks coffee like everyone else around me back then. I didn’t choose that want. That desire was imposed on me from the outside.
That doesn’t imply any kind of freedom either. It’s what you wanted to do wether consciously or not.
Feeling you can and actually being able to do so are different thing.
I’m not saying your tastes can’t change; I didn’t use to like the taste of coffee but now I do. I however didn’t choose to start liking it. My taste simply evolved over time. Now I couldn’t choose to not like it.
What do you feel like you have the ability to change your preference about then?
You can’t choose to not want something you do or vice versa.
There’s definitely value here, but sometimes it’s hard to justify because of the negatives that come with it.
I’m not sure if it’s always been like this (it probably has), or if I’ve just become more aware of it, but holy shit, people are mean and cynical. It really poisons my mind to spend time around these kinds of attitudes, and I can only imagine how contagious it must be especially for younger users, spreading this ‘mind virus’ to more and more people. I can’t imagine people talking to each other in real life the way they often do in places like this.
What I find even more toxic than direct attacks on other users, though, is the constant ambient cynicism. There are certain topics where I can guarantee that at least 50% of the comments are snide remarks dunking on AI, Twitter, Tesla, Musk, etc. These comments add zero value to the discussion. They’re written solely to signal alliance to like-minded people and fish for upvotes.
I just want a place where I can hang out with civilized adults and have meaningful discussions about substantive topics, instead of being surrounded by angry, hateful, cynical kids who seem more interested in pointing out the flaws in everything and tearing things down rather than discussing solutions.
Shitty AI videos? No. Good ones? Sure.