“We will coup whoever we want! Deal with it.” Elon Musk, 25 July 2020, Twitter Once again, as in 2002, Venezuela has been the victim of a combined media
    • Eldritch@lemmy.worldEnglish
      42·
      3 months ago

      Yes I know our government in the United States has plenty of blood on its hands especially in South america. And as a socialist myself I automatically have sympathy for the Socialists. However I’m not ideologically anything per se at least not anything that’s incompatible with democracy. Something Maduro seems highly incompatible with.

      I really wish we’d stay out of it especially announcing anyone as the winner. But by the same token I still want the receipts public and the will of the people represented even if it’s the far right party that won. Because otherwise you go down the path of leninism and all the damage they’ve done.

      • Gsus4@mander.xyzEnglish
        62·
        3 months ago

        I watched the full OEA meeting and there were lots of countries besides the US that had strong words against Maduro’s stunts, particularly countries that used to be dictatorships (some backed by the US) who a democratic Venezuela at the time strongly criticized and cut ties with until they returned to democracy again and these countries now feel like they owe Venezuela the same support at this time. It was very moving. Anybody out there who thinks this is just about the US, oil or left/right knows nothing about Latin America’s dark history with dictators.

        • Eldritch@lemmy.worldEnglish
          52·
          3 months ago

          Yep and that is absolutely fine. I just think that the United States isn’t going to make anything clearer or Easier by stepping in. Giving official proclamations and statements. Due to our history with the region.

          • Gsus4@mander.xyzEnglish
            31·
            3 months ago

            Yes, I agree. No troops, support whatever the Latin American states say, they know what they’re doing. Coming out swinging doesn’t help.

      • Gsus4@mander.xyzEnglish
        53·
        3 months ago

        I would have the tiniest bit of respect for Maduro if he had just told everyone that democracy was suspended and that he was dictator for life and stop making fools of his voters, neighbouring countries and international institutions. At least this would not destabilize the democracies in the rest of SA. Maybe the next Bolsonaro will try this new trick to stay in power and you people will eat it up if he says “US bad”. It’s so easy.

        • small44@lemmy.worldEnglish
          21·
          3 months ago

          1 - i said maduro is a dictator 2 - Maybe the us would overthrow the al saoud family who ruled for bit less than 100 years. Oh wait they won’t because it’s us puppet

          • Gsus4@mander.xyzEnglish
            32·
            3 months ago

            No, the idea here is not to pretend to be a democracy and to go when you lose that’s all. The Saudis and the Cubans in charge can do whatever they want while their people let them.

            (I can’t see what you said anymore, btw)

            • small44@lemmy.worldEnglish
              43·
              3 months ago

              Us should stop acting like they care about democracy when it’s action say otherwise

              • Gsus4@mander.xyzEnglish
                31·
                3 months ago

                I don’t listen to the US on this issue, they are not an honest broker. I listen to Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Argentina, Peru, Mexico, Uruguay, etc. Hay más mundo y intenciones por ahi que solo los Estados Unidos y a la maioria no les gusta lo que está haciendo Maduro.

                • small44@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  22·
                  3 months ago

                  I’m not disagreeing with the idea of protesting the results. I’m just replying to your statement that the us is not bad