I know that most customizability features that were once exclusive to custom roms are available for use right out of the box these days.
In the case of manufacturers like Samsung, I think,there are still no official builds of lineageOS for the newer phones after the galaxy s10 series.
I’m aware that GSI roms are available. My experience with GSI’s have been kinda bad. Most of the time they lack a lot of features which makes the phone not viable anymore. Then there are also the random UI bugs, which frustrate the hell out of the user.
I miss the old days when there were lots of custom roms, even for budget devices. I used to flash them when my phones were out of warranty. I could use my phone however I saw fit.
Is there no way to bring back these good times ? Or will the whole custom ROM community just shrink to the pixels and a select few devices ?
I think you meant it the other way around - “why custom ROMs have little device support” - right?
because for me it’s clear that companies just want to ship their own spyware and bloatware.
You do have a point. I wish projects like GrapheneOS and CalyxOS supported non pixel devices as well.
GrapheneOS’s reasoning is that Pixels are the only things secure enough for their needs
It just feels like I don’t need custom ROMs anymore. Nowadays, most phones already do what I want them to do. I used to be pretty deep in the custom ROM community, but nowadays I don’t even think about rooting my phone.
I guess the only use case for custom ROMs is the privacy aspect. But most people don’t care about it, so the support is abysmal.
Biggest reason is prices of phones have gone up so people are holding onto them for longer with how much more expensive future replacements will be. But, the phones outlast the security updates,which is when roms come into play.
Support is by far the most popular then it has ever been
I am presently using a super niche device. SUPER niche. So niche that I have been dealing really closely with the manufacturer, who worked with Qualcomm and made a specific firmware just to get wifi calling working for me in Australia.
I have quizzed them so many times on why they won’t support rom development. You can unlock the bootloader, but the rom files are heavily encrypted. There’s no way to extract the boot IMG so we’re dead in our tracks.
The manufacturer basically say that they have to fight so hard to gain google certification that they won’t do a single thing to risk losing it.
They’ve been pretty generous with their warranty policies so probably another reason is they don’t want to risk anyone doing overclocking etc and then having to cover device repairs or replacement.
Ok now you’ve just made me curious on what’s the super niche hardware.
It’s a Nokia 3310.
AGM G2 Guardian. It’s a pretty exclusive club mate. AGM gambled big and I don’t think it’s really payed off for them - they haven’t shifted enough units and their profit margin was super small.
I work outdoors and live a pretty weird life, I was super super excited to find a decent snapdragon in a ruggedized device like this. The long-range thermal is legit, battery life is insane and it feels like a super high quality thing to hold. They’ve had a few little teething problems - some issues with fingerprint sensor for a few people, some screen flickering issues for others. I’ve been pretty lucky so far and I believe they are switching things up in manufacturing now.
It’s mostly a function of an unlockable bootloader. If the device manufacturer does not allow the bootloader to get unlocked then putting a ROM on it is extremely difficult.
Pixel devices tend to be unlocked, unless the carrier locks the bootloader. So it’s always a good idea to buy pixel directly from Google so you get an unlocked bootloader.
The same can be said for fair phone.
The other devices are really hit and miss. Basically if you can’t control the software it’s not your hardware even if you paid for it.
I feel like this is a basic human right thing. Probably going to wait for the EU to make legislation unlock hardware you own. I look forward to that
There are still plenty of custom ROM communities out there, but mostly for those cheap Chinese brands, especially those with snapdragon SoC. Enthusiasts using those devices usually aren’t too afraid of breaking their cheap phones, so the communities are still thriving. On the other hands, people with $1000+ flagship phones are usually less likely to do this and void their warranty, unless their phone manufacturers aren’t voiding warranty when you unlock the bootloader such as on pixel devices.
Fairphone, they have instructions even on their site on how to flag your phone with different OS’s. Think it’s just been released in the states too. Android AOSP, Lineage, Ubuntu Touch, eOS to name a few.
I considered buying the fairphone and the pixel 7. Unfortunately, the former was not available in my country and the latter had no service centers in my region.
Then I got a good deal on a samsung galaxy s23 and bought it. Now I’m stuck with not being able to do anything.
Unlockable bootloaders, having adb and fastboot support on the phone side, having a processor that has open source code, and not disabling cameras etc when the bootloader is unlocked are all needed to have a viable custom ROM community for a specific device.
Lots of modern phones don’t do some or all of the above. Mediatek powered phones are a no-go, some phones don’t support adb or fastboot (iirc some older LG phones have this issue), Sony would disable the camera if a bootloader was unlocked on some of their older phones.
I understand your bad experience with GSIs, but I think it’s a step in the right direction. The way custom roms have been made through the years isn’t sustainable for the long run. It’s too much work for the few people involved, that goes obsolete so fast. But with GSis, the projects will one day be able to maintain just a few images, and the porting community will just have to focus on unlocking the devices.
GSIs aren’t working 100% today, but it’s something still new in the perspective of manufacturers, and the tendency is to have better support with time.
Just to put things into perspective, my experience, as someone poor from a third word country, is just the opposite. In the past, only the more expensive phones had custom rom support, and the cheaper ones I got access to, wouldn’t even get results if I searched for the model on xda. Nowadays, even cheap chinese phones or the ones locally manufactured in here allow me to put a GSI and have a customized experience, up to date with security patches.
I’m not sure that is true, I don’t remember device support being much better in the past. But assuming that is the case, part of the reason might be the fast evolution of devices and Android itself back in the day. Old devices quickly becoming obsolete and new Android versions being desirable made custom ROMs very attractive for a group of people, including myself.
I installed CyanogenMod on my first smartphone because I could get a more recent Android version when it actually made a difference. As Android evolved, an up-to-date install is not as different anymore than a 3 year-old one, not in features and even less in looks. The main motivations I see for custom ROMs nowadays is to improve your privacy and decrease bloatware, but I don’t think most users would bother with going through the process and voiding their warranty to have these things.
I have an android that has Mediatek Dimensity and I have found 0 custom roms that are good. I wonder why.
No kernel sources being published doesn’t really help for custom ROM development. I’ve also seen that there’s little regeneration of the custom ROM devs. Most of the guys making good custom ROMs now have been poached by the companies or basically got tired of the toxic custom ROM community (ETA when).
I still remember the heyday of the custom ROM development during the Nexus One days. Damn now I’m nostalgic all of the sudden.
I can’t see many advantages to the manufacturers.
If people were screaming out for this I’m sure plenty of marketing departments would jump on it.
I also imagine as hardware gets more complicated so does the process of making ROMs. Which is already a pretty niche skill.
I think there are fewer people working on them, more complexity involved in making a good one, and fewer end-users who want to use them.
It’s disappointing that every device needs active effort to support it, unlike PCs where operating systems can be more generic and detect hardware during boot or install. It’s my understanding that newer Android versions have improved the situation some, so we may see things turn around a little.
Some manufacturers, like Samsung, lock up their devices more.
Sealed up phones with no way to open the case are a little harder to tinker with especially when something goes wrong.
Years ago custom ROMs was used for having more features, but stock systems matured and it’s the other way around. Now customs are mostly limited to privacy and freedom community.
And a personal opinion from me, Android is now just boring. I loved trying custom ROMs, but there is nothing more to explore with monolithic, hard to bend nature of Android. I flashed plain old LineageOS on my main device and for playing around I am about to buy a Linux Mobile phone.
Most manufacturers have made it more difficult to both make and install custom ROMs for their devices.
Pixel is the one big exception so far.
