When the likely outcome is death, most people don’t want to fight. If people were just allowed to flee to some other country, not only the bully country gets a free and repeatable pass but the neighbouring countries get some immigration crisis which lead to not-so-fun rhetorics.
The Finns were some of the most vigorous defenders in history, but if they just had the option of moving en mass to Sweden, consequence-free, they probably would. If that was to be the case every decade or so, today’s Russia would be bigger than the USSR ever was and without any republic whatsoever, only Russians given that everyone else fled. They have quite the history of chomping territory; that’s how they got this big to start with.
You probably understand that this wouldn’t fly. That the other countries wouldn’t allow it to happen anyway. But at the end of the day, you need boots on the ground to do anything about it.
looking at things that happened during this war, Ukraine was able to defense itself and foght back with volounteers and “patriots” or just their own military with help from the west.
So rn their forces are depleted, the west is turning prorussian and is starting to talk about stopping support of ammo and arms to Ukraine.
One of the reasons russians started the war, was their expectation, that countries (fe Poland) wouldn’t allow mass migrations of Ukrainians (they tested it before on poish borders, but forgot that polish ppl are fucking racists, and with mostly whiteUA population, ppl had not so big problem with immigration). They (russians) thought by killing civilians they will be able to force UA to surrender. Again, this plan had failed, due to ppl escaping Ukraine succesfully, allowing the volounters to fight for their imaginarry land with orc cannon fodders foghting for their own imaginary land.
Ukraine is losing, ppl across the Europe started rumoring about “forced relocation” of UA imigrants back to ukraine in order to fkrce them to fight in war, the EU, and USA is willing to lose due to capitalism and their own russia influence.
And right now, you want to allow those poor folks to die on the battlefield, bc billionaires from across the EU and USA want to save money, or just directly get even more from russians directly?
yeah, better find more quotes to try to justify this nonsense
These last year’s of fighting were not exclusively done by volunteers and patriots at all.
Source: Gave a place to stay to a men (28yo) dodging the draft, weeks after the war started. He told me that his friends were either hiding in some grandpa house, pretending that they never knew about any draft invite, or straight up ran to some other country (some of them bribing border guards in the process).
These situations happened in 2022, not now. You can probably imagine that this is far from “with volunteers”. A lot of these were caught (or didn’t hide in the first place) and were sent to some army outpost.
When the likely outcome is death, most people don’t want to fight. If people were just allowed to flee to some other country, not only the bully country gets a free and repeatable pass but the neighbouring countries get some immigration crisis which lead to not-so-fun rhetorics.
The Finns were some of the most vigorous defenders in history, but if they just had the option of moving en mass to Sweden, consequence-free, they probably would. If that was to be the case every decade or so, today’s Russia would be bigger than the USSR ever was and without any republic whatsoever, only Russians given that everyone else fled. They have quite the history of chomping territory; that’s how they got this big to start with.
You probably understand that this wouldn’t fly. That the other countries wouldn’t allow it to happen anyway. But at the end of the day, you need boots on the ground to do anything about it.
looking at things that happened during this war, Ukraine was able to defense itself and foght back with volounteers and “patriots” or just their own military with help from the west.
So rn their forces are depleted, the west is turning prorussian and is starting to talk about stopping support of ammo and arms to Ukraine.
One of the reasons russians started the war, was their expectation, that countries (fe Poland) wouldn’t allow mass migrations of Ukrainians (they tested it before on poish borders, but forgot that polish ppl are fucking racists, and with mostly whiteUA population, ppl had not so big problem with immigration). They (russians) thought by killing civilians they will be able to force UA to surrender. Again, this plan had failed, due to ppl escaping Ukraine succesfully, allowing the volounters to fight for their imaginarry land with orc cannon fodders foghting for their own imaginary land.
Ukraine is losing, ppl across the Europe started rumoring about “forced relocation” of UA imigrants back to ukraine in order to fkrce them to fight in war, the EU, and USA is willing to lose due to capitalism and their own russia influence.
And right now, you want to allow those poor folks to die on the battlefield, bc billionaires from across the EU and USA want to save money, or just directly get even more from russians directly?
yeah, better find more quotes to try to justify this nonsense
These last year’s of fighting were not exclusively done by volunteers and patriots at all.
Source: Gave a place to stay to a men (28yo) dodging the draft, weeks after the war started. He told me that his friends were either hiding in some grandpa house, pretending that they never knew about any draft invite, or straight up ran to some other country (some of them bribing border guards in the process).
These situations happened in 2022, not now. You can probably imagine that this is far from “with volunteers”. A lot of these were caught (or didn’t hide in the first place) and were sent to some army outpost.