• Rough_N_Ready@lemmy.world
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    You seem to be reading between the lines at text that isn’t there. The text says nothing about submission or Cain not fully submitting. Cain didn’t murder his brother until after God disrespected his offering.

    Genesis 4:3-5 KJV:

    3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.

    4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

    5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.

    It all started with God not respecting Cain’s offering of the fruit of the ground.

    Genesis 4:6-7 KJV:

    6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?

    7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

    In verse 7 god implies that Cain’s offering of ‘fruit of the ground’ was him not doing well, and was a doorway to sin!

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      Yeah, I do believe I was doing that, you have convinced me! Thank you. That leaves out all the shit in the Quran about them marrying their own twin sister’s, an Cain was mad that Able’s twin was cuter.

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          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cain_and_Abel_in_Islam

          Oh yeah, the story of Cain and Abel doesn’t really make sense in the christian tradition cause it’s missing the real impetus for the murder. Jealousy over women… Who just happen to be their twin sister’s!

          I’m less familiar with the Hebrew stuff, but I’m pretty sure this story is similar there too. The christian tradition whitewashes the story an incredible amount cause even Constantine thought it was icky!

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        1 year ago

        Well god has killed billions, and his own son had to be murdered to atone for our sins. He’s pretty much the god of murder.

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      As a non-theologian, fruit of the ground sounds like the fruit that wasn’t off the vine. i.e. this is the fruit that was rotted. Not “the best” stuff. So wholly inappropriate as an offering to God (or to anyone.) It’s the basic stuff that wouldn’t be missed after you took the best stuff for yourself.

      Also if you are not “reading between the lines” of the bible, then you aren’t really understanding the stories of the bible, so I’ll assume you just misrepresented yourself there.