Image description: Image shows batches 1, 2 and 3 sold out for the Ryzen 7 7840HS which costs $1,399.

For now both DIY and prebuild edition (all configurations) are in batch 4 which ships in late Q4 2023.

  • EuphoricPenguin@normalcity.lifeEnglish
    16·
    1 year ago

    Well, framework has one cool side-effect of their repair-friendly approach: their laptop mainboard can be used as an SBC. I’ve seen a few projects use it in this way, and I believe they even sell an official plastic case for it. It’s a well-documented piece of computer hardware that is regularly refreshed and can be fitted easily into slim chassis.

    Oh, and another cool thing is that their screens have magnetic bezels. ThinkPads are a PITA to fix if you just want to replace an LCD panel; framework makes it trivial to keep the upper chassis and only replace the part that’s actually broken. That’s the real pitch with Framework: replace anything easily and upgrade your computer for only the cost of the mainboard or socketable component. Some of their newer devices have a socketable PCIe expansion bay, which could be used for things like socketable GPU upgrades.

    • Virtual Insanity @lemmy.worldEnglish
      102·
      1 year ago

      I just had a look at their motherboards, nearly AUD$1000 shipped for the cheapest available 12th gen board… board only.

      Just bought a ThinkPad with 16gb dual channel and 1TB nvme for $60 less than this and it has an on-site warranty.

      I love the idea but the pricing is insane.

      Just pricing the minimum possible 16" machine came to AUD$2400 with no ram, no SSD, no OS, no numpad and no charger.

      Add all this things, even self bought your looking at over $3k or even $4k if you want the GPU

      I wish them luck… They’re going to need it.

      • Abbrahan@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        1 year ago

        I just got a pre-order for one of the Framework 16’s. The issue Framework has at the moment is scale. Lenovo has the size and customer base to produce an absolute insane number of laptops compared to Frameworks operation. So cost is going to be 30, 50 or even 100% more than the big boys like Asus, Lenovo or HP. They won’t ever get that scale unless people believe in it and buy one.

        However, there’s one other thing which I justified my purchase with. I could buy a Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Extreme with the i7-2700H, 32gb of ram and a RTX 3050ti for $AUD4,929. Or I could buy the Framework 16 with Ryzen 7840HS, 32GB ram, Radeon 7700s for $AUD3,916. Both of these processors and GPUs are similarly speced, in fact I believe the benchmarks had the Framework slightly ahead, but the framework comes out over $AUD1000 cheaper. Yes the Thinkpad X1 Extreme is their uber premium model, but just as you pay a premium for Lenovo’s business grade hardware, you pay a premium for Frameworks repairability.

        • Dudewitbow@lemmy.mlEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          As a person who works in e-waste, probably off by magnitide when it comes to how much companies with leasing divisions (Dell/HP/Lenovo) produces over companies that dont (Pc part manufacturers like Asus/MSI/Gigabyte). Its obscene how much desktops/laptops go straight to resale/recycling.

        • Virtual Insanity @lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          Just popped that Lenovo into my small business cart and got $1000 under what you’ve mentioned (assumed you went with upgraded screen, the 60hz 300nits screen is a piece of crap and shouldn’t exist in a machine of that calibre), but even at that price the framework does seem more attractive.

          No doubt if you take money out of the equation it’s a good option, but if you’re on a budget you could hunt down a similar specced Lenovo Legion or something for a bit less.

      • EuphoricPenguin@normalcity.lifeEnglish
        3·
        1 year ago

        Maybe Australia’s offerings are different, but I see this board with an 11th gen i5 for USD $299. There’s a ton in the $300-500 price range with several different configurations. That’s really the interesting range for doing hobby projects.

        • Virtual Insanity @lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          I deliberately ignored 11th gen, is old enough that refurbished equivalents can be bought for the same price on eBay with a case, power supply, ram, storage, wifi and OS licence for the same money.

          With the framework board you get none of that.

          And as for it being an option for embedded use, there are far better options.

          I know this all sounds negative… But I’m truly trying to like the idea. I can’t see it catching and reaching the mass needed to become more sustainable at this point.

          It’s just going to remain a niche untill they die… Or maybe they can survive on the small numbers? (Which I think would be great by the way, I’m very proud choice, just not a fan of the price!)