It was a big mistake by Google to base the Android Framework entirely on Java. Pivoting to Kotlin because you’ve discovered that working in Java produces nothing but garbage does nothing to fix the situation either.
Can’t wait for generic Linux phones to be a (more popular) thing so we won’t have to deal with this clown world nonsense anymore.
Do you really think generic Linux phones will ever be a thing? The people go where the apps are and there’s no reason for the most popular apps to make generic Linux apps. Just the idea of mobile Flatpaks makes me nauseous.
I have Waydroid set up on my postmarketOS OnePlus 6T mainly so I can use the Discord app. Waydroid still needs some integration issues worked out (access to location, access to Bluetooth, access to calls/texts, ability to forward notifications to the Linux side) but otherwise it runs quite well. Performance feels pretty similar to native. I also have a OnePlus 6 running stock OS for my main phone tasks as pmOS doesn’t have VoLTE support for the 6T so is kinda useless as a phone right now.
I think it depends on the adoption of Linux on the desktop. When more people get a taste of what freedom of software brings, they are going to want that for their phones as well.
That or we might just be years away from the next big thing where everyone walks around with AR glasses and the cycle starts all over again with companies competing for a duopoly, and we’re just fucked.
I think the adoption everyone is looking for on desktop is deceptive. The type of people that run Linux on desktop are averse to Telemetry and so desktop Linux will report much smaller numbers anyway. Consequently, everyone is hoping for Linux to become the standard in the professional space and there, it’s back to application support and the big one, compatibility. It’s all good if everyone in an office is using Linux, but they need to interact with the outside world, and if the outside world can’t read what they send, then it’s not even worth considering switching.
Others in this thread have covered most of the points already, but it is mainly software support for certain key things I want to do using my phone, such as online banking.
I realise most of this is just anxiety about taking the plunge and seeing what it’s like, so if I have money to burn I might just buy a second phone just to see if it’s a viable option for me.
But yeah, I wish mobile Linux was popular enough for there to be support from key service providers. Though it might be a long shot since “desktop” Linux is still growing and we haven’t yet seen the support shift.
I had to learn kotlin to code Jerboa, and while it’s better than java or javascript by miles, it still doesn’t come close to rust. Android studio is especially terrible, and it crashes my dedicated server pretty frequently.
I use IntelliJ for web development (switched from a Java based team to web based) and I don’t really notice any problems. Even with VSC and VS running simultaneously.
I don’t remember how it was in my previous team as I’ve walled of those memories and experiences for mental health.
That’s a weird way of writing IntelliJ
Java seems to be the culprit then.
It was a big mistake by Google to base the Android Framework entirely on Java. Pivoting to Kotlin because you’ve discovered that working in Java produces nothing but garbage does nothing to fix the situation either.
Can’t wait for generic Linux phones to be a (more popular) thing so we won’t have to deal with this clown world nonsense anymore.
Do you really think generic Linux phones will ever be a thing? The people go where the apps are and there’s no reason for the most popular apps to make generic Linux apps. Just the idea of mobile Flatpaks makes me nauseous.
I run android apps on my desktop linux with Waydroid. Maybe linux phones could also get android apps through waydroid?
That’s already a thing, it’s even packaged in postmarketos iirc
Cool
I have Waydroid set up on my postmarketOS OnePlus 6T mainly so I can use the Discord app. Waydroid still needs some integration issues worked out (access to location, access to Bluetooth, access to calls/texts, ability to forward notifications to the Linux side) but otherwise it runs quite well. Performance feels pretty similar to native. I also have a OnePlus 6 running stock OS for my main phone tasks as pmOS doesn’t have VoLTE support for the 6T so is kinda useless as a phone right now.
Didn’t Jolla have an android compatibility thing of some sort?
I think it depends on the adoption of Linux on the desktop. When more people get a taste of what freedom of software brings, they are going to want that for their phones as well.
That or we might just be years away from the next big thing where everyone walks around with AR glasses and the cycle starts all over again with companies competing for a duopoly, and we’re just fucked.
I think the adoption everyone is looking for on desktop is deceptive. The type of people that run Linux on desktop are averse to Telemetry and so desktop Linux will report much smaller numbers anyway. Consequently, everyone is hoping for Linux to become the standard in the professional space and there, it’s back to application support and the big one, compatibility. It’s all good if everyone in an office is using Linux, but they need to interact with the outside world, and if the outside world can’t read what they send, then it’s not even worth considering switching.
If it was based on desktop adoption, windows phone wouldn’t have been a failure.
True, I actually liked Windows phone. But the lack of software support killed it. Even whatsapp pulled the plug.
What’s stopping you from using a GNU-like Linux phone already?
Others in this thread have covered most of the points already, but it is mainly software support for certain key things I want to do using my phone, such as online banking.
I realise most of this is just anxiety about taking the plunge and seeing what it’s like, so if I have money to burn I might just buy a second phone just to see if it’s a viable option for me.
But yeah, I wish mobile Linux was popular enough for there to be support from key service providers. Though it might be a long shot since “desktop” Linux is still growing and we haven’t yet seen the support shift.
I had to learn kotlin to code Jerboa, and while it’s better than java or javascript by miles, it still doesn’t come close to rust. Android studio is especially terrible, and it crashes my dedicated server pretty frequently.
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I use IntelliJ for web development (switched from a Java based team to web based) and I don’t really notice any problems. Even with VSC and VS running simultaneously.
I don’t remember how it was in my previous team as I’ve walled of those memories and experiences for mental health.
That would kill my laptop lol. I think my problem is that once IntelliJ starts to index it becomes very memory hungry.
Hopefully your current position is an improvement