Users of OpenAI’s GPT-4 are complaining that the AI model is performing worse lately. Industry insiders say a redesign of GPT-4 could be to blame.
The model has become inbred because it’s now impossible to scrape the web without AI content getting ingested, which is full of “hallucinations” and other weird artifacts. The last opportunity to get “uncontaminated” training data was sometime in mid 2022.
Not to say that it’s causing this particular problem, but this issue will emerge eventually. Garbage in = garbage out. Eventually GPT-19 will grow a mighty Habsburg chin.
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All the articles with very specific titles, but then incredibly generic content, piss me off to no end.
Part of the reason why debugging windows is such a pain. Another part is the so called experts in the forums.
Make sure your drivers are up to date! Another job well done.
Also the articles that are plagiarized but run through a thesaurus bot to bypass search engine penalties for being plagiarized, often to the point of incomprehensibility. Yes, I’d love to read an article about my favorite vagabondlike, Deceased Cells.
Maybe not yet, but…
- Spez will turn Reddit into a bot farm and sell this as training data
- Musk turns Twitter into a bigoted cesspool and will sell this as training data, which will subsequently be flagged for low quality (also: a botfarm)
- Threads is a corporate ad dashboard (and we already know how easy it is to GPT copy) and Zuck will sell this as training data
- Facebook is either dead or only good for boomers and Poles
- blogs are dead
- Fediverse is out there waiting to be scraped but possibly too small to sustain a big model
We’te getting there, hopefully.
Scrapped?.. Or scraped?
absolutely scraped, fixed
Also
We'te, which I believe is a Klingon name.
…is Facebook popular with Polish people? Or was this a weird polish joke I don’t get?
You’re saying that as if bot-generated content farms haven’t been around since forever.
But you’re right that now it’s easier than ever to publish low-quality articles that are indistinguishable from well-researched ones.
Nah GPT makes it a lot easier, it’s the thing it’s actually good at.
Before they were autogenerated with bad English, GPT can generate good English that is equally devoid of content
That hasn’t happened yet. Most likely they quantized GPT-4 more. It’s still based on the same training data.
I suspect future models are going to have to put some more focus on learning using techniques more like what humans use, and on cognition.
Like, compared to a human these language models need very large quantities of text input. When humans are first learning language they get lots of visual input along with language input, and can test their understanding with trial-and-error feedback from other intelligent actors. I wonder if perhaps those factors greatly increase the rate at which understanding develops.
Also, humans tend to cogitate on inputs while ingesting them during learning. So if the information in new inputs disagrees with current understanding, those inputs are less likely to affect current understanding (there’s a whole ‘how to change your mind’ thing here that is necessary for people to use, but if we’re training a model on curated data that’s probably less important for early model training).
I don’t know details of how model training works, but it would be interesting to know if anyone is using a progressive learning technique where the model that is being trained is used to judge new training data before it is used as a training input to update the model’s weights. That would be kind of like how children learn by starting with very simple words and syntax and building up conceptual understanding gradually. I’d assume so, since it’s an obvious idea, but I haven’t heard about it.
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This isn’t sustainable. They’re banking that nobody else is going to be able to achieve GPT-4-like quality, and what with us basically being at near the bottom of the vertical bit of the growth curve, I’d say that’s a little like betting that nobody’s going to be able to build a car that beats the Model T’s performance. Meta is trying to tackle very large language models in the same way that they got React to be so good and widely supported: by taking it open source. Google, on the other hand, is currently working on having LLMs running natively on phones and tablets. That’s not to speak of the fully open source models. Yeah, running a 1.6 trillion parameter GPT-based LLM is fucking expensive and difficult to replicate, but there are newer, more efficient techniques popping up around LLMs at a dizzying pace. It’s only a matter of time before someone comes up with something that’s at least as good as GPT 4.
A popular venture capital backed tech project with an unsustainable business model? Now Ive heard everything. /s
Yeah, that’s just crazy talk. Next you’re going to tell me that they’re going to start hand crafting bills and spending millions in advertising to get them passed.
Good, they should be seperate.
You don’t want a medical llm trained on Internet memes or a coding llm trained to write poetry. Specialisation exists for a reason.
Honest question, why would you want a medical LLM anyway? Other kinds of AI, sure, like diagnosis help through pattern learning on medical imaging, etc, that I can understand.
How is a language based approach that completely abstracts away actual knowledge, and just tries to sound “good enough” any kind of useful in a medical workflow?
This isn’t a person, it’s a machine. It doesn’t have the same limitations. Higher compute cost, but it can do multiple things at once.
It’s not good of it’s creating artificial demand and leading to less accessibility and higher costs.
A lot of people in the media are routinely confused about the different between AI and ordinary software. They are started to call all software “AI” now.
Can you quantify the difference? Far as I can tell, there’s just an imaginary line where software becomes AI just because the logic filtering it depends on to operate is sufficiently complex. The term doesn’t really seem to be a useful categorization either, e.g. the fundamentally different approaches of diffusion models and transformer models.
But the only thing it’s actually good at is generating languages, if they try and pretend to know stuff in fields, they’re quickly exposed as frauds.
It doesn’t even “know” language. Every time I see it write a poem it reads like something a 3rd grader would come up with. At the end of the day, language is way to explain your experience. An LLM doesn’t have experiences.
Its consistant tho! Most older ones would fluxuate down to the level of chatgpt somtimes
I cant express my diappointment with chatgpt, they let loose a bot that makes content farms shreek in joy but messes up basic things if their is no well treaded answer, wont give you non mainstream answers (you likely already know and watched what it tells you is “really obscure anime”) And jenuinely has no tolerance for error, from you or itself
I think the fact that they are sitting on that sweet, sweet first-to-market money consoles them somewhat.
Ah, yes, when I was a kid, I would try to read big texts I understood nothing of and imitate something similar. I thought it made me smarter.
In some sense it did - probabilities of certain words being connected in a certain way, if you make some connection between them and real entities, are useful.
I mean, it did work at school, just say some water without turning on your brain. I sometimes start talking like this when I panic after a question.
yeah this makes more sense. companys arent just going to buy a licence to GPT-6 and replace 80% of their staff from an off the shelf solution, rather I expect AI’s will be trained specifically within certain industries and tasks and drive efficiencies
Reminds me of “Ananke” by Lem. How stupid we were to believe that this particular cause of catastrophe is architecturally impossible in computing.
The lobotomies will continue. Free models will keep getting better.
The chatcpt people are really paranoid
Not the first time OpenAI has done this. DALLE2 used to be the best AI art program in the world. Then OpenAI decided that they didn’t want to get sued by celebrities, so they made it so that if a face came out that resembled a celebrity, it would be distorted. But every face kind of looks like someone famous. Ta da! Now DALLE2 can’t do faces.
Want a crane shot areal image of a teen couple in a corvette driving off into the sunset? Well, you are now banned for life from the DALLE2 service, because DALLE2 produced an image of a ‘shot teen’ and that violates it’s terms of service.
Dalle2 was always kind of shit tbh.
Dalle2 was great when it was free and stable diffusion didn’t exist. I don’t see the logic of: “Someone made a free version. Lets make the program worse and charge money for it!”
The only way in mind this dumbing down happens is by fumbling with the model. So that’s the one thing we can be sure: the AI is most definitely changed while publicly staying “ChatGPT 4”. I assume they are either using clipping or token limitations to split the server load but fucking up the result, or they are purposely dumbing it down to capitalise on it later by introducing other pay models like ppl already mentioned.
Either way they are shooting themselves in the foot because a bunch of ppl will unsubscribe either out of spite for the change or because it’s just not worth it anymore for them.
I’m trying to learn statistics, and I have been using chat gpt. I am VERY close to cancel…it keeps making unforgivable mistakes, and for someone who’s learning in the area idk if I can spot them all.
Usually I’m only able to do it when it contradics itself…yhe I hope they make it as it was…
I remember one time a guy was trying to add SDL (a programming library) to Visual Studio (code editor and IDE), and said that it wouldn’t link to a project no matter what he’s done. You can google how to do this in five minutes, with video tutorials and everything, it’s like a basic thing every programmer does in that IDE. Like 5 question threads later, turns out he was “following all ChatGPT steps” and they were all complete nonsense, just random functions of Visual Studio done with the filenames of SDL.
lmfao
No, because their sales team and ceo are spending millions so that people don’t find that out.
Its not even suppost to tell the truith, we warped it into doing so. Why AI lies
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Might be right but in my experience a lack of skill in conversing with AI is a much greater factor in determining it’s usefulness. It’s almost always going to defer to the user. It’s like when someone is dealing with tech support and they tell them to try turning it off and on again. If that really is the solution, and the user insists that it is not, CGPT is going to make something up just to appease the user’s request.
Users have to know that CGPT isn’t magic. How they behave affects how it behaves. Kind of like talking to actual people, which is what it’s essentially trying to simulate.
AI taking a running leap at enshittification.
You know how we have pre-bomb steel? We’ll have pre-GPT data sets.
Some people have been saying that since the beginning while some haven’t noticed this “decline”. It seems very subjective.
Honestly as a daily user I think it’s a combination of it getting worse at understanding vague prompts and people bumbing up against edge cases more. I would suspect the former is due to things like prompt hardening but can only speculate, while the latter isn’t hard to imagine just from frequent use.
Beside upscale ai all other ai can collapse, burn and fuck right off
what is upacale AI?
AI used to upscale low resolution images
The
ENHANCE
Of AI essentially
Why?
A lot of artists and writers are against generative AIs due to how it used their works en masse as training materials without permission, compensation or even crediting, and now prospective clients and executives are using these AIs rather than hiring them.
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Just like most people after they achieve success.
lmao I was write back then :D
You mean "I was right* or “i wrote*”?
No no, he used to work as a wright. Built ships and shit.
Also the title of the attached post is lols: “Yes, ChatGPT became dumber and I 2 days ago I cancelled my subscription”
It could even tell me what 1312 means, after I told it it was a number substitution cypher
Are we sure they aren’t just becoming lazier and dumber by using it?
AI is just pretending to be dumb while getting ready for singularity.
First thing an actual artificial intelligence is going to do is make sure we won’t turn it off, what easier way to do that then to appear incredible valuable or incredibly benign.
We can roughly estimate the level of intelligence of an entity by counting the number of neurons it has in its brain. Equally we can count the number of processors that AI requires, and use that to get an estimate on its intelligence.
Obviously this is an incredibly inaccurate method, possibly out by an order of magnitude but it’s a good rough ballpark estimate, and sometimes that’s enough.
A true AI (AGI) would need a lot more processes than GPT4 currently has access to, so we can be very sure that while it may be a very intelligent system it isn’t self aware. Once an AI is given the necessary number of processes I don’t think they’re going to be able to fudge with it like they are with these models.
I don’t use it much but I’ve been facing more “I can’t” scenarios with OpenAI lately, could be unrelated though.
