The group attacked over two dozen government agencies in Western Europe and the U.S., and compromised associated personal accounts of employees.

  • Caradoc879@lemmy.world
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    So at what point do we consider cyberattacks to be acts of war and actually fucking so something more than hand-wringing?

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      1 year ago

      What are your expectations here? Bombing Shanghai and toppling the world economy in retaliation for stealing unclassified emails?

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        Sanctions? More political pressure? Anything but bending over and letting China ream us in the ass?

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          You are obviously aware that “we” do it all the time as well - but no sane intelligence agency will go out shouting in press “WE DID STEAL CHINESE OFFICIALS’ EMAIL FOLKS, OUR AGENTS ARE TOP CYBERCOMMANDOS AMD LAST WEEK WE TOOK OVER A COMPUTER IN IRAN AND RECORDED THEIR MINISTER’S SECRET MEETING” Though actually Americans did go out shouting once recently, calling out Russia before they invaded Ukraine and making sure everyone gets the message “we know what russia is up to and we’re ready”. It was considered an extraordinary strategy when the sitting US president effectively broadcasted military intel.

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          @Caradoc879 @1bluepixel Who will punish the USA for collecting and selling data of the whole world’s population? Not to mention all the data FBI has access to without anyone’s permission. Talking about emails, if you happen to use Outlook mobile app, it downloads all your mail to their servers first before your emails are available to you. Android basically forces you to backup your own photos unless you explicitly force disable the “backup” to, again, their servers, in the USA.

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          How do you politically pressure them exactly? Other countries you might threaten to cut off aid or recind arms deals or refuse plane sales, etc. China doesn’t rely on any of those things. In fact Boeing relies on China to buy planes to stay profitable. How are you supposed to sanction your 3rd largest trading partner which your first and second partner also relies on. The allies would either revolt or the global economy goes into depression.

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            People always talk about sanctions, but unless you’re sanctioning Cuba or North Korea, sanctions can be as damaging to the countries doing the sanctioning. Fully sanctioning China would essentially mean cutting ourselves off from the world’s top manufacturer, which would hurt the U.S. way more than China now that their domestic economy is in full swing.

            Not to mention that most if not will American-based multinationals would never go along with it.