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I’m in awe of the bravery it takes to use civil disobedience in Iran
Seventy four lashes for not wearing a piece of cloth on one’s head. That will permanently scar her entire back of her body. I hope terrible things happen to those that tortured her.
Unfortunately, they got paid to do their job and probably had sex with their wives afterwards.
Unfortunately, they got paid to do their job and probably
had sex withraped theirwiveschild “brides” afterwards.FTFY
I can’t believe this happened in the country where it happens all the time either
You want to tell me this is not the western colonizers fault and the poor people of the east are not the victims in this? That’s outrageous.
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It’s amazing watching the contortionist path you people take to blame every damn problem on the planet on “the west”.
I thought I was being obvious, but that was highly sarcastic.
I think it mirrors actual view points in most communist communities.
I think the OP was being facetious
Meh, the /s is very much a real person here on lemmy. If that’s /s I don’t think they’ve seen the hardliner commies on here.
mmh, so the shitty /s thing makes sense after all… fuck the /s btw
You’re going to need to type in something that more closely resembles a complete sentence.
lol
It is not always the West, but in Iran’s case, it most definitely is the West…
The CIA installed a religious zealot dictator… idk why you’re being downvoted lol. Let’s all just pretend the CIA hasn’t been fucking up democratically elected governments for almost a century
Because 40 years have passed without direct intervention in their government and they’re just as bad. Will you still blame the west for Iranian oppression in 50 years? 80? 100?
It depends! Obviously the US isn’t entirely at fault. After our shenanigans there was like permanent war in the region (also mostly the US) which never helps. The destabilizing effects are still present and can be traced back to the IS in no small part.
Slavery was outlawed over 100 years ago in the US yet we are still dealing with the ramifications. Stuff doesn’t just happen in a vacuum
edit: I should also note the US propped up a dictator who was corrupt and overthrown by religious zealots. They have been ruled by extremists ever since. It seems like a direct connection to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
All I know is that at some point, it goes from a valid criticism to a way to attack the US without giving ANY agency to the bad actors in Iran who have been far worse than the shah. Many many Iranians in Iran at this point consider the US and Israel allies in opposition. Downvote me straight to hell but it’s a fact.
Oh! So after forty years, it’s still the west’s fault? How many decades pass before a culture gets to own its own shitty behaviour?
This woman is a badass. She is spitting in the face of an authoritarian regime. What an inspiration for all of us.
But the privileged american women told me hijab is a choice tho.
I get so angry seeing women in western democracies defending this barbaric subjugation of women.
All religions suck, but Islam never having gone through any kind of reformation is a special kind of fucked up when it comes to women.
Worst of all is seeing my liberal friends defending Islam, like some kind of PC pissing contest completely abandoning our brothers and sisters living in these theocracies.
No reformation? You’re in a sub thread about Western Muslim women not wearing hijab.
I, Jew, have dated and had sex with said Muslim women. That’s pretty reformed big dog.
I wouldn’t necessarily say that everything about religions is bad. For example, Christmas is a religious holiday and I genuinely like it because I can meet with my family, friends and we give presents to each other. So there are some nice aspects of religions.
However, living a life only according to a religion is quite stupid. You are just making your life harder for no good reason. Arguing that you should do something because <insert a religious reason here> is quite stupid.
Same for hijabs. If the someone wants to wear it, then they are free to do so but forcing someone to wear it is just nonsensical. Sorry but I think there are more practical clothes when it’s 35 degrees outside and it should be everyone’s choice what to wear (as long as certain rules are respected such as no nudity unless otherwise stated).
Simply said: many religious practices lack pragmatic reasoning behind them and make the life harder.
Stating Christmas is a religious holiday and using the word retarded speaks volumes to your character
I agree the word choice was not correct. I apologize for that. Fixed now.
Sorry homie you thought Lemmy would be better than reddit in regards to nuanced discussion. You were wrong lol.
I honestly didn’t even use reddit that much. I had an account lying there for a long time but after the shenanigans that happened, I left and joined this.
So I cannot really compare those 2.
Either way, it’s a common fallacy or logical argument where you pick out the tiniest thing to invalidate someone’s entire argument vs just that one thing.
Just imagine how fun it is trying to tell people constantly how blanketswithsmallpox was never a thing despite being native, being well sourced, and having the info pinned to your profile lol. Granted, it’s insensitive for a reason just like how people had usernames in the old day like titfuckercuntqueef. With mine people just have to Google though lol.
Come now, no need to be like that. Everyone’s a bit retarded in our own special way…
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But Christmas is a religious holiday, but not originally a Christian one.
I don’t understand, Christmas originated from the Christian religion, what exactly does it say about this person’s character?
It didn’t though. Christmas was invented by the Christians to help convert Pagans of the time by saying that Christianity fits in with their celebrations. Christmas origins come from the Roman celebration of Saturnalia.
December 25 was the traditional date of the winter solstice in the Roman Empire,[45] where most Christians lived, and the Roman festival Dies Natalis Solis Invicti (birthday of Sol Invictus, the ‘Invincible Sun’) had been held on this date since 274 AD.[46]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas
Using the word retarded is similar to using other derogatory slurs deemed hate speech.
Not exactly. Most Christian holidays are redefined existing holidays. Christmas was “oh everyone already celebrates a feast around midwinter, let’s make it a celebration of the birth of Jesus so we can still do the celebration but in a Christian way”.
I strongly believe Christmas would be celebrated even if Jesus was born in a different season. And that the celebration would be adjusted to that season.
There is already some debate about what time of year the birth actually happened. Most people agree that regardless of the actual day, it probably wasn’t Dec 25 (or the equivalent if using other calendars). That’s just the one that people agreed to use.
Because context never matters anywhere, right? \s
In the West, it is a choice, and that is good. That’s what Iranian women also want: choice.
This echoes the argument against the prohibition of abortions. Pro-choice means that women can have the option to choose to have an abortion, not that they will be getting them for breakfast.
I mean, technically it is a choice. Between wearing it or getting 74 lashes on the back. :(
Definitely not something ass backwards savages do
What about cutting off the end of every baby boys dick because some cereal magnate wanted kids not to masturbate 100 years ago? Sounds like ass backward savagery, too.
Not mutually exclusive
Absolutely not. Humans are savage creatures.
Whatever happened to those Iran protests?
They dropped off the main news cycle. Still happening just not interesting enough to get coverage.
Are the mullahs still getting publicly disrespected and gunned down? That was epic, seeing those bloody effers getting a tiny taste of the brutality they’ve been doling out capriciously for the last 40 years. They’ve done wonders to make many Iranians go from marginally religious to adamantly anti-Islam, political or otherwise.
True dat. Anecdotal. I’m in Canada and one of my daughter (11) friends is Iranian. Have her parents in my phone and watch particularly her dad’s WhatsApp status. Wish I new Farsi cause goddamn they are pissed at the government there big time.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Mazyar Tataei, Heshmati’s lawyer, told local newspaper Shargh that his client was detained at her home in April by so-called morality police, who confiscated her mobile phone and laptop and placed her in detention for 11 days.
In a harrowing story, she said she was eventually handcuffed and forced to wear a headscarf, shackled to a bed in a room that resembled a “gruesome” medieval torture chamber, and whipped on her shoulders, back, waist, thighs, calves and buttocks.
Heshmati said she tried not to show pain during the ordeal, whispering the words “In the name of women, in the name of life, the clothes of slavery are torn, our black night will dawn, and all the whips will be axed…”, while lashes rained down upon her and the shackles bruised her wrists.
The term “inappropriate condition” likely refers to an image depicting her walking on the streets of Tehran without a headscarf, wearing a short-sleeved T-shirt and a long skirt.
Following the widespread reactions to the news, characterised as “violence and brutality by the authorities of the Islamic Republic”, various figures expressed their condemnation, including artist and politician Zahra Rahnavard, who, along with her husband former Prime Minister Mir Hossein Mousavi, has been under house arrest for years since 2010.
In response to the escalating reactions to her story, Roya Heshmati shared a new post on Instagram, expressing gratitude for the solidarity shown.
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Hundreds of millions of people practice Islam peacefully. This is about an authoritarian state using Islam as a tool.
Would the world be better without religion? Probably, but realistically we’d still find other stupid things to divide ourselves over and other tools for authoritarian states to control their citizens with.
You’re most likely right, but I’d still love to see a world without religion because IMO it would be much better than this.
even a benign cancer must be excised.
As much as I hate the Chinese Government, at least they don’t force women to cover up.
