We must condemn all war crimes. That shouldn’t be a controversial statement.
Its one thing for a guerilla army to have shitty homemade rockets that misfire and accidentally kill civilians. Its another thing to intentionally block shipments of food and medicines. Or intentionally target a hospital.
Less accurate analogy, but you get the idea: if you kill your pro boxer mugger, it’s self defence, but you’ll have committed murder. War crimes kind of define the minimum “moral standard” that can’t be crossed, even if you’re trying to define some sort of moral standard weighed by power. Seems a bit delusional to try and quantify stuff like this to me though.
We must be talking about two different things because imo it’s way better to live and have your day in court than to die of injuries or best case get all your stuff stolen and then have zero recourse.
Hm yes sorry simplistic analogies like this are always hard to reason about. In real life, the verdict would depend on the laws of your country, if self defence was proportionate, etc. Also, if you focus only on your personal gain, it makes sense to kill your mugger.
However, that’s not what I had in mind when writing it: I hope that I’m not the only thinking that killing someone who wants to mug you, even by force, is bloody absurd and should be avoided at all costs ? Both because one might not feel good about what they did, even if it was to avoid injury or losing money, and because this mechanic feels very unsustainable, to say the least, on the scale of a society.
Idk if this analogy makes more sense now; of course if you don’t share my opinion on this it becomes a pretty bad analogy. Maybe a better one would be wondering why most countries have abolished the death penalty (punishment is proportionate to crime, except when we decide there’s a baseline that we won’t cross for punishing some crimes that go below said baseline). Similarly, and as other commentators have said, war crimes have been agreed to be the baseline you must strictly respect, regardless of any other circumstances, including uneven conflict.
Yes, both sides should be sent to the ICC for justice and given a sentence that is proportionate to the amount and severity of the crimes they committed.
We must condemn all war crimes. That shouldn’t be a controversial statement.
Its one thing for a guerilla army to have shitty homemade rockets that misfire and accidentally kill civilians. Its another thing to intentionally block shipments of food and medicines. Or intentionally target a hospital.
Thanks for your response.
So is the short answer “yes” about holding both sides of a conflict to the same moral standard, regardless of each side’s power and viable options?
Less accurate analogy, but you get the idea: if you kill your pro boxer mugger, it’s self defence, but you’ll have committed murder. War crimes kind of define the minimum “moral standard” that can’t be crossed, even if you’re trying to define some sort of moral standard weighed by power. Seems a bit delusional to try and quantify stuff like this to me though.
We must be talking about two different things because imo it’s way better to live and have your day in court than to die of injuries or best case get all your stuff stolen and then have zero recourse.
Hm yes sorry simplistic analogies like this are always hard to reason about. In real life, the verdict would depend on the laws of your country, if self defence was proportionate, etc. Also, if you focus only on your personal gain, it makes sense to kill your mugger.
However, that’s not what I had in mind when writing it: I hope that I’m not the only thinking that killing someone who wants to mug you, even by force, is bloody absurd and should be avoided at all costs ? Both because one might not feel good about what they did, even if it was to avoid injury or losing money, and because this mechanic feels very unsustainable, to say the least, on the scale of a society.
Idk if this analogy makes more sense now; of course if you don’t share my opinion on this it becomes a pretty bad analogy. Maybe a better one would be wondering why most countries have abolished the death penalty (punishment is proportionate to crime, except when we decide there’s a baseline that we won’t cross for punishing some crimes that go below said baseline). Similarly, and as other commentators have said, war crimes have been agreed to be the baseline you must strictly respect, regardless of any other circumstances, including uneven conflict.
Yes, both sides should be sent to the ICC for justice and given a sentence that is proportionate to the amount and severity of the crimes they committed.
We agree on that, but that wasn’t the issue we were talking about.