Again for anybody working on their own games or who does software. Avoid this like the plague.
Just a quick question, why? Is it because Take2 or Rockstar will come after anyone that they think copied their code, or are there a lot of bad practices used in GTA5’s code?
Because even the possibility that you implemented somebody else’s proprietary code from memory or inspiration opens up a lot of legal issues.
And while you may win there’s no winners when you or your employer has to pay your side of legal fees. It’s best to just avoid it to make that process easier.
Depends on which country you’re in. I would bet if you do it in Russia there will be zero consequences.
Ok, that’s what I thought you meant by the original comment but I wanted to make sure.
Thanks
Also to add to this, you are disqualified from contributing code to the WINE project if you’ve seen parts of the Windows source code for this exact same reason.
oh interesting. kinda impossible to ensure all the contributors have never seen it though.
There’s no way this is true. I can literally think of similar code as what’s in GTA V, I have never opened the link. Does that open me up to a law suit? That’s crazy.
Directly, probably not. But if you work on an engine team or on a game and there’s some future lawsuit implying that the methods and techniques match their stuff then it will be costly. Companies would rather just avoid the potential liability.
Here’s an article discussing some aspects of Nintendo leaks being risky for those who work on emulators
"Such dumps wouldn’t be of use to the project due to it being illegal to obtain and use code contained within said dumps,” they said via Twitter DM. “Using code from dumps like that can taint the project and be active grounds for Nintendo to pursue legal action against it.”
“Having a 16 plus year old emulator project go up in smoke isn’t something I’d want to happen. I’ve already seen a few comments on Reddit saying something along the lines of, ‘Well, why don’t you just make use of it but change it up a little before using it’, which, uhh, is a profound lack of perspective,” Lioncache said. “Legally, you generally don’t get a second chance about these sorts of things if legal action actually gets taken.”
If they can prove it. There’s only so many way to do something in code
They don’t have to prove anything to take you to court
Yes they do. And they’d need to look at your source code to prove you copied theirs. It’d be basically impossible to prove unless you were stupid enough to have the GTA V source code on your work machine.
Peep the code on a website, and they’ll have no evidence and the case will get dismissed for being frivolous. Do you think Rockstar is omniscient? People look at the source code, then leave the company for a competitor every week.
Code can’t even be patented, so unless you copy some propriety process for computing physics or something, that they have a patent on, then they really have no legal standing.
This meme of “don’t look at it” is very ignorant to the reality of professional software development. Our memories aren’t wiped when we switch jobs and they’d have to prove you didn’t pick that idea up from another job, a forum, a colleague, or even a dream.
Do you think Rockstar is omniscient?
Seriously. There is actually zero way Rockstar would ever know even if you outright stole some of the code unless you were to admit it. And definitely not if you got some inspiration from it.
The derivative code will get compiled. What are they going to do, pick apart the machine code from every game released from now on to see if it somehow matches a chunk from GTA? And then somehow track down and prove that one of the probably dozens of employees who worked on the game looked at this leaked source code? Good luck with that.
Yeah there’s no chance anyone would even know unless you straight up copied enough code that the same bugs and weird physics behaviors show up in your game.
You can get in trouble for having it on your hard drive because it’s copyright infringement, but not for looking at it on a website.
Nice username! Stormlight right?
These words are accepted.
Bad take.
Code is about working with a limited set of tools and making them work for whatever task is in front of you.
Inspiration is from interacting with something and receiving insight.
The best coders meld the two and push the industry forward. If you impose self limitations like this on yourself, then you’ll never advance yourself.
This is like saying you read lord of the rings and now can’t play DND because the fantasy source material was ‘stolen’.
GTAV NES port here we come
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In the meantime you can emulate the remastered Switch version pretty easily.
This is incredibly good and relevant to me and i didn’t know this thank you
I don’t think they have the source code for rdr 1 and that’s why they’ve never ported it themselves.
Although there is the newer switch one so either they renamed it or found it in the end
Are there any links floating around to download said code? The various tweets/articles seem to suggest it leaked in one Discord server, and nobody’s providing a link to that Discord nor a mirror of the code.
I know there’s nothing original about that but God damn I hate that a chat platform somehow became used to transfer info… We’re overdue for a forum Renaissance.
Didn’t we use things like irc in the past?
Yeah and it sucked for archival purposes then and it still sucks now and forums took its place and that’s still where serious people go to talk about their field. Want a custom ROM for your phone? You’re going on a forum. Want to know how to repair a specific thing on a car? You’re going on a forum. Want to talk about your new patchwork passion? You’re going on a forum.
But somehow there’s some fields (crypto, some parts of gaming…) where people have forgotten that or simply have never spent time on forums to see the difference in quality of info having an ongoing discussion makes.
You aren’t “archiving” shit of this magnitude. Forums and hosts get the real letters and even the more permissive countries and hosts tend to have minimal issues taking action for these kinds of leaks. They are just as transient as chat rooms with a much bigger investment to run
Which leave “dark web” sites that very much do exist but don’t get linked in news articles
And Usenet before that.
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Even with logs they’re still a party because without threads it’s just questions getting twisted again and again and again without being able to refer the person to a previous part of the discussion where they could find all answers they need…
Trying to compile well-documented github projects is a crap shoot half the time. iirc no one figured out how to compile even the Windows XP source code when it got leaked and it’s long gone/no longer obtainable so no one can try. The chances of anything coming out of this that the average person will see are almost complete zero.
My experience with large projects is that the bigger they get, the more their build systems turn into large projects in their own right. Maintaining the build for something like Windows is probably many people’s full-time job, so it’s no surprise a bunch of amateurs with no docs couldn’t do it.
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I want to archive it
OpenGTA5 would be so cool. To bad Rockstar is Rockstar.
And FiveM is already property of Rockstar.
Now that the source code is “out there” it may be possible in the future for better mod support, fingers crossed.
“You have been banned from Rockstar Social Club.”
But seriously, fuck their jank-ass forced integration.
Could be modded to work around their shit app
Wait, all mods have to go through that app? That’s total shite. Is there any way to launch it completely offline or would someone just have to pirate it?
I imagine with this leak that’s going to get cracked wide open soon
So… link?
Here come the unbreakable cheats I guess.
This is (one reason) why anti-cheat should be server-side.
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So sad seeing all these games, all that creativity, sacrificed for a sixth installment.
