NOBODY has done more damage to free speech rights than the fucking fascist free speech grifters like Musk, Jones, Shapiro, Peterson, and every other loud outhed pussy-assed radical fascist shitbag. Free speech was a regular, normal thing in the US until they showed up around 1992. Thanks to those assholes I am now ALL FOR regulated speech whether by legal means or baseball bat. Their entire motivation is to complain about free speech, gain power with this basic ideal, and then remove ALL rights from others, including and especially gun rights and free speech.
how do I meet in the middle with the people openly calling for me to be rounded up and executed by the government, then? what’s the strategy for winning them over in the marketplace of ideas and why hasn’t it worked yet?
You don’t. The current generation and the generation under them cannot be “won over”. What is required is 3 or 4 generations of reeducation.
And you can’t suddenly change to this new education either. It needs to be done slowly, covertly, with a lot of patience and over a long time. You will have to be the bad guy who’s secretly “brainwashing the children.”
So long as no organised body has the balls to do this the only other option is for America to face the same kind of utter destruction 2 world wars have done to Europe so that the country can be rebuilt from the ground up. Literally.
I understand it’s a sad reality, but those people can’t reasonably be changed anymore.
What we can do is work towards a better future while we keep looking at what can be done today.
Musk couldn’t care less about free speech. He has implemented a policy that bans you for using the word “cisgender” while he responds to nazi propaganda with personal admiration.
The concept of speaking freely is not exclusive to legislation. Musk specifically bought this platform because, according to himself, he saw it as an important place for human discourse and the freedom to speak your mind was being inhibited by the policies around moderation. Which is ironic because he implements policies that ban you for speaking out over arbitrary topics while the previous policies simply banned hate speech.
Musk on Wednesday agreed with a post on X that falsely claimed Jewish people were stoking hatred against white people, saying the user who referenced the “Great Replacement” conspiracy theory was speaking “the actual truth.”
This took less than a minute of research. You aren’t asking for proof out of some concern for intellectual honesty, you’re trying to cast doubt on something that is plainly, obviously true
Can never seem to understand this reasoning.
Musk seems to largely have solved the censorship problem on twitter, which could be regarded as a vital piece of modern dempcracy (along with the rest of the internet, which mostly suffer from said censorship).
While at it he weeded out some traitors, who actively sabotaged during this period. Im well aware that corporate takeovers arent something “good”, but this one actually seems to make free speech a first class value.
This censorship is imposed by advertisers, which is somehow celebrated. Were talking disney, coca cola, whatever… These all want to control what you can or can not hear, and people are celebrating it?
The proper response to advertisers trying to co trol democracy is absolutely “go fuck yourself”, this should be the norm.
He’s absolutely free to say that. The advertisers are also absolutely free to decide they don’t want to do business with him anymore. That’s not censorship, it’s the market and freedom of association.
How in the fuck do you reach the conclusion that a guy who uses money to crush free speech and censor his critics on xitter has “solved the censorship problem”??
Man, I dont see how you pussy-assed cucks can look at yourselves in the mirror every morning.
it’s because comment OP is a right wing shithead and, like all right wing shitheads, believes his freedom to force others to do what he wants is the only freedom that matters.
what’s your actual solution here, that advertisers should be forced to advertise on twitter next to objectionable content? that some people get to say or do whatever they want without consequence and others should be forced to endorse it? where in the fuck did you get the idea that refusing to buy ad space on twitter is somehow an assault on democracy?
Freedom of speech only restricts the government, not private institutions or individuals. We might value it and protect it to some degree privately, but those parties are restricted the same way the government is.
Please explain in detail how advertisers could possibly have the power of censorship. Am I “blackmailing” Japan if I dont buy tofu? Do you or Musk know what any of those words actually mean?
NOBODY has done more damage to free speech rights than the fucking fascist free speech grifters like Musk, Jones, Shapiro, Peterson, and every other loud outhed pussy-assed radical fascist shitbag. Free speech was a regular, normal thing in the US until they showed up around 1992. Thanks to those assholes I am now ALL FOR regulated speech whether by legal means or baseball bat. Their entire motivation is to complain about free speech, gain power with this basic ideal, and then remove ALL rights from others, including and especially gun rights and free speech.
Take them out first
You Americans can do with a little less gun rights. Might actually be healthy.
Oh, that is after getting universal healthcare and better public transport first.
Maybe then America might become an actual developed country.
—a shockingly large number of American schoolchildren
I am all for less guns rights as soon as the alt-right fascists are either mowed down or expelled. Not one second before though.
That’s not how you fix your country. Your way of thinking will only produce more animosity and extreme ideologies.
how do I meet in the middle with the people openly calling for me to be rounded up and executed by the government, then? what’s the strategy for winning them over in the marketplace of ideas and why hasn’t it worked yet?
You don’t. The current generation and the generation under them cannot be “won over”. What is required is 3 or 4 generations of reeducation.
And you can’t suddenly change to this new education either. It needs to be done slowly, covertly, with a lot of patience and over a long time. You will have to be the bad guy who’s secretly “brainwashing the children.”
So long as no organised body has the balls to do this the only other option is for America to face the same kind of utter destruction 2 world wars have done to Europe so that the country can be rebuilt from the ground up. Literally.
Your first paragraph could be Alabama or Gaza…
It’s called “education”. It takes a few decades to get some results though. Unfortunately nobody tried it yet.
the armed mob chanting “kill f*ggots, kill all transgenders” is in the streets today, not a few decades from now.
I understand it’s a sad reality, but those people can’t reasonably be changed anymore. What we can do is work towards a better future while we keep looking at what can be done today.
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No. It absolutely can get worse.
Musk couldn’t care less about free speech. He has implemented a policy that bans you for using the word “cisgender” while he responds to nazi propaganda with personal admiration.
How did he accomplish that, given how he doesn’t have any kind of political power? Or are you confusing “free speech” with company policy?
The concept of speaking freely is not exclusive to legislation. Musk specifically bought this platform because, according to himself, he saw it as an important place for human discourse and the freedom to speak your mind was being inhibited by the policies around moderation. Which is ironic because he implements policies that ban you for speaking out over arbitrary topics while the previous policies simply banned hate speech.
I would like to see proof lf this.
bork bork sea lion
https://www.reuters.com/world/white-house-condemns-musk-spreading-hideous-antisemitic-lies-2023-11-17/
–Musk https://thehill.com/homenews/4061600-musk-says-cis-cisgender-considered-slurs-on-twitter/
This took less than a minute of research. You aren’t asking for proof out of some concern for intellectual honesty, you’re trying to cast doubt on something that is plainly, obviously true
Then open your eyes and look.
So your free speech is free speech, theirs is not. You don’t ever think you are maybe just as fascist as they are?
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Can never seem to understand this reasoning. Musk seems to largely have solved the censorship problem on twitter, which could be regarded as a vital piece of modern dempcracy (along with the rest of the internet, which mostly suffer from said censorship).
While at it he weeded out some traitors, who actively sabotaged during this period. Im well aware that corporate takeovers arent something “good”, but this one actually seems to make free speech a first class value.
This censorship is imposed by advertisers, which is somehow celebrated. Were talking disney, coca cola, whatever… These all want to control what you can or can not hear, and people are celebrating it?
The proper response to advertisers trying to co trol democracy is absolutely “go fuck yourself”, this should be the norm.
He’s absolutely free to say that. The advertisers are also absolutely free to decide they don’t want to do business with him anymore. That’s not censorship, it’s the market and freedom of association.
this is insightful into what right wingers think freedom is. To wit: only for them.
The reason you can’t seem to understand this is not only because you are stupid, it’s also because you don’t want to.
How in the fuck do you reach the conclusion that a guy who uses money to crush free speech and censor his critics on xitter has “solved the censorship problem”??
Man, I dont see how you pussy-assed cucks can look at yourselves in the mirror every morning.
it’s because comment OP is a right wing shithead and, like all right wing shitheads, believes his freedom to force others to do what he wants is the only freedom that matters.
what’s your actual solution here, that advertisers should be forced to advertise on twitter next to objectionable content? that some people get to say or do whatever they want without consequence and others should be forced to endorse it? where in the fuck did you get the idea that refusing to buy ad space on twitter is somehow an assault on democracy?
Freedom of speech only restricts the government, not private institutions or individuals. We might value it and protect it to some degree privately, but those parties are restricted the same way the government is.
Please explain in detail how advertisers could possibly have the power of censorship. Am I “blackmailing” Japan if I dont buy tofu? Do you or Musk know what any of those words actually mean?