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Stop calling Gaza an “open air prison.”
Prisons are filled with convicted criminals. Prisons have food. Prisons have water. Prisons have electricity. Prisons have medical treatment.
Gaza is not a prison; it is a concentration camp.
While I can’t argue with point 1, it’s wildly unrealistic to believe that even 3/4 of convicted criminals in American prisons are actually guilty. Between private prisons, kickbacks for judges, and the war on drugs, our prison system is about as shitty as it gets.
Private prisons only house 8% of US prisoners. The problem is the contracts given to public prisons.
Maybe she’s talking about European prisons?
Western European prisons? I doubt that all of those apply to Turkey or Russia, for example.
If you’re born in prison, you will not grow up in prison.
Gaza is a concentration camp.
I understand the sentiment but
Prisons are filled with convicted criminals.
Prisons have food.
Prisons have water.
Prisons have electricity.
Prisons have medical treatment.
Almost all of these are untrue in prisons across the world.
And, if I’m being an “um ackchully” contrarian, they were true for the Nazi concentration camps.
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In nazi camps people were starved, and medical care was equal to being experimented on without consent. And then, people were just killed off at will. Additionally, people were living in constant fear in these camps.
None of what you said is wrong but it also doesn’t contradict anything I said
Ahm no actually. The prisinors had a calorie intake of about 800 calories per day (some sources claim 1100 to 1300 calories but that doesn’t fit my narrative) while working the entire day. Theft was a regular occurrence. So sometimes you would have even less than that.
A common result of that was diarrhoea. Because sanitary facilities were usually only added after years the prisoners slept in diarrhoea drenched beds. The medical “care” wich was also often added only very late and according to the buchenwalde memorial “only because of extreme pressure” were used as an opportunity to kill prisoners by injection.
Most camp prisoners were not what I would call criminals. The common categorisation charts list political enemies, Jews, homosexuals (most of the time only male homosexuals), jehovas witnesses and Asocials (people that did not work).
Unfortunately I don’t know anything specific about the drinking water situation, but the memorial buchenwalde as well as mittelwek-dora and ausschwitz state that water was sparse.
You could have picked any example of concentration camps to make your pointless argument, but you chose to talk about the nastiest crime in human history.
If you consume zero calories a day, you have no food. If you consume 800 calories a day, you’ve had some food. I never said anything about the quantity or quality of resources given by the Nazis, but the argument that prisoners in the concentration camps had access to no food, no water, no electricity, and were not legally detained is historically false. If we were talking about the death camps, sure I’d agree with you, but not the concentration camps.
This comment is in no way meant to downplay the atrocities of the Holocaust.
Holy shit shut up. You know what the initial tweet was supposed to mean. If there where to be literally no food in Gaza then Palestinians would all be dead before they could reproduce.
And again in what way would you say that the prisoners were “legally” detained. I hope you are aware that almost all camps were concentration camps and not eradication camps. All my sources exept for ausschwitz are concentration camps. Do you think that people were not killed in concentration camps?
It may be “historically false” to claim that no food physically existed in and around any concentration camp, but it is reasonable to assume that the average person understands the meaning behind “there was no food”.
so does it make gaza more like a prison, or prison more like
concentration campsgaza?
I agree prisons should have those things. Sadly not all of them do. And I’m not sure just talking about countries where prisoner rights are not protected by law. Multiple people are dying in first world prisons due to lack of medical care, including simple things like overheating.
None of this is to justify or dismiss the situation in Gaza. It is to highlight the abuses that exist despite beliefs such as those expressed here.
More like a ghetto.
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So this is your first siege?
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They don’t just close the borders all around gaza, but also the exit to the sea. Not to mention they kept moving the border on a whim for decades, cutting access to trade, farm land, electricity. Do they have obligations? Yes, it’s called reparations…
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How is this antisemitic?
Hard disagree. Is it intentionally provocative to make their statement in that way? 100 percent. But that isn’t anti semitism, anti semitism isn’t saying things that may upset Jewish people. It is the belief that Jewish people are less than people.
the belief that Jewish people are less than people.
Which is of course ironic since Israel is treating the Palestinians as less than people…
Yeah no. A concentration camp does not need to be a carbon copy of what the Nazi’s did for it to be called one. This is not antisemitism. Israel can be criticized based on policy and military action. It’s an apartheid state anyway. Palestine has a right to exist, it’s ridiculous that these people are considered stateless. It’s shameful that the powers-that-be intend to continue to prop Israel up regardless of the inhumane treatment of those they oppress.
You keep using that word. I don’t think you know what it means.
Concentration camps have a history outside ww2, also Jews were not the only ones to be sent to camps lest you forget about the disabled, romani, gays, various slavs, or socialists who were also killed by Nazi Germany
Don’t forget the Cubans, the Boers, and the Japanese.
All three were still camps, because more than just the Germans used them.
Concentration camps existed far before the Nazis used them and exist today (see: Isreal’s treatment of Gaza).
