• hark@lemmy.world
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    What I see are some dissenting opinions and then people parroting US government talking points browbeating and downvoting them. Russia is absolutely wrong for invading Ukraine, but let’s not overlook the US government using Ukraine as a pawn to advance its own geopolitical ambitions, similar to how it benefited from arming groups in Afghanistan when Russia invaded there.

    I’m hoping Lemmy provides for more nuanced and diverse discussion instead of brigading and shouting down of opinions simply for going against the officially-approved narrative of the US government.

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      1 year ago

      hated for being world police but also hated for not “doing something” about international injustices. US can’t win.

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        Nobody in their right mind is hating on the USA for not being world police. It’s just White Man’s Burden in disguise. Oh dear me you’re so burdened by having to civilize the rest of the world, boohoo. Nobody asked them to, people even push back against it, and yet they do it anyway and then have the gall to complain about how much doing so is inconvenient. Then, two minutes later, the USA will complain about “sovereignty” and pretend they aren’t encroaching on sovereignty every time they pretend to be world police.

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        International injustices like the US helping the Saudis genocide Yemenis? The problem is that the US is self-serving in its self-appointed role of world police. They don’t care about injustices and only use (or even create) them as excuses to carry out selfish geopolitical objectives.

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          1 year ago

          no like north korea threating to glass its neighbor, or russia threatening to glass europe, or china claiming that taiwan belongs to them, or ISIS saying that all non-muslims deserve death, but yeah cherry pick all ya want

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            North Korea is all bark and no bite. North Korea benefits China by acting as a buffer and benefits the US by strengthening ties between the US and South Korea and Japan. There is no interest in changing this arrangement.

            Russia didn’t get this way over night. The USSR collapsed and the US capitalized on the situation by enforcing markets in a way to grab wealth. There were many opportunities to rehabilitate and allow Russia to participate in the world as a peer but that went against the US need for an enemy and to dominate them, as evidenced by the Wolfowitz doctrine. Russia’s economy was terrible and Putin did well for himself betting on oil which gave the Russian economy some stability and which is how he got popular. You’ll find that the price of oil collapsed in 2014 and the protests were happening in Ukraine around that time threatening the puppet he had there.

            Just watch as the plan is spelled out for you on American television: https://www.cc.com/video/8067fc/the-colbert-report-crisis-in-ukraine-gideon-rose

            As for ISIS: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq