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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Politics@lemmy.ml · 2 years ago

Proxy War Explained

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Proxy War Explained

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Politics@lemmy.ml · 2 years ago
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  • finishsneezing@discuss.tchncs.de
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    2 years ago

    Do you think anyone doesn’t know what a proxy war is? Or are you sheepishly trying to shift away the blame from the country that started this war?

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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      I think you don’t know what a proxy war is because US officials now openly say that it is a proxy war. Here’s former United States ambassador to Finland openly saying this in a mainstream US publication:

      he United States, NATO and our European Union allies have been propping up Ukraine to fight a proxy war, but the effort amounts to doing half a job.

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        I don’t understand how what your saying is a response to my post. I don’t even understand how your statements are internally coherent: „I think you don’t know what a proxy war is“ <> „because US officials now openly say it is a proxy war“. Also I don’t think someone who was an ambassador to Finland 18 years ago can be counted as a „US official“.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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          What specifically are you having trouble understanding here. The war is between US and Russia, and plenty of US officials have active openly acknowledged it.

          Mitt Romney - We (Americans) are losing no lives in Ukraine…

          Mitch McConnell - “People think, increasingly it appears, that we shouldn’t be doing this. Well, let me start by saying we haven’t lost a single American in this war,” McConnell said. “Most of the money that we spend related to Ukraine is actually spent in the US, replenishing weapons, more modern weapons. So it’s actually employing people here and improving our own military for what may lie ahead.”…

          Richard Blumenthal - We’ve helped restore faith and confidence in American leadership — moral and military. All without a single American service woman or man injured or lost…

          RAND published a whole study where it advocated for a proxy war in Ukraine as a way to weaken Russia. We also now know that US also sabotaged negotiations last March that could’ve ended the war. Given all that’s now known, it takes stunning amount of intellectual dishonesty to pretend this isn’t a proxy war.

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            “We also now know that US also sabotaged negotiations last March that could’ve ended the war.”

            What’s your source for this statement?

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              https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/05/06/boris-johnson-pressured-zelenskyy-ditch-peace-talks-russia-ukrainian-paper

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            Stop posting links and work on your poor reading comprehension.

            Even though it is beside the point, Mitt Romney doesn’t say what you’re claiming, neither in the video nor the tweet you linked. McConnell says nothing about a proxy war in that statement and neither does Blumenthal. You are extrapolating political affiliation from half-statements or even single words. I don’t know about RAND and I do not care, because I never said it wasn’t a proxy war, but are these really the strongest evidence you could find?

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              Sounds like you would do well to follow your own advice here if you genuinely believe all that.

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                I haven’t posted a single link.

                • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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                  Yeah, you just make stuff up.

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    While I agree it sound like something reasonable from the point of view of the imperialists, it’s not like if they also didn’t lose anything. Maybe they didn’t lose men, but sure did a hell of equipment. Plus Russia didn’t lose gear that will never come back, they increased production, too, since they now actively need it.

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      For sure, the proxy wariss having significant economic impact on the West right now. Long terms trends like dollarization will permanently shrink western economies going forward and reduce western influence around the globe.

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