I’m new to this idea and a Google girl so I’m interested in learning more. I’m not good with tech, but if it’s necessary I’ll do it as much as I can.
I feel there is a certain maximum amount of influence a for profit company should be allowed to grow to. They have long surpassed it.
Basically once they started being a military contractor actively implementing new AI solutions aiding Israel, the US, and more. Or, when they started doing evil instead of avoiding it.
(Please don’t @ me with all the “yeah but they did THIS AND THAT years ago… we all have our own cutoff point).
The advertising has become the engine in every possible corner. It’s like searching billboards now, not websites. My email feeds the ads I get. My Gboard keyboard for my text messages feeds the ads I’m shown. Hell the websites I visit get advertised back to me. Google Lenovo for work reasons and a year later I’m still getting fed ads for Lenovo on other platforms that have no association with Google. It’s like the Adoring fan of Oblivion who really really wants to make me happy by offering me things he heard me mention once Every. Single. Day! Dude stop! Shut up and leave me the fuck alone.
I wish I could shove Google off a cliff.
It’s like searching billboards now, not websites
I like that phrasing, clever :)
Fuck their greed.
If you want a more elaborate answer, they hold too much power over users and they stopped truly innovating years ago.
They were evil back then as well but Google Now and Inbox were ways to siphon data that benefited users as well
If Google randomly decides to terminate my account for some reason and won’t tell me why or allow me to reasonably appeal, I’m screwed.
GDrive, my YouTube, my play store purchases, my Gmail going back since forever, and even all these 3rd party sites where I used “login with Google” could be instantly toasted and irrecoverable.
I became aware that this is way way too much exposure to one company and every component is linked together so if, hypothetically, I left a comment on YouTube that triggered some angsty AI ban algorithm, which led to the whole account getting zapped, I would be one sad puppy.
Better to selfhost, encrypt all, and be in control of my own destiny.
Fucking hell that’s a good point. I’d not thought of that
didn’t see anyone touching on the most important part, and that is the decisions regarding our data we make now are coming to bite us in the ass five or ten years from now. our chicken brains can’t comprehend that, not really. we need a direct feedback loop: hot stove, finger, ouch - no more touching.
up until a decade or two ago, we didn’t have the concept of forever in our lives. do stupid shit in school, in uni they don’t know about it. fail at one job, the next one doesn’t know about it. say something stupid in front of a love interest, the next one’s blissfully unaware. in our current paradigm, all of them transgressions are with you, forever.
any and all corporations even adjacent to the advertising/harvesting/mining industries have lost the benefit of doubt, forever. our interaction with them is and should be adversarial from the get go. they should never be in the position to retain any meaningful data points and polluting their ingestion avenues and obscuring activity is mandatory.
edit: the AI example is touching on it.
That’s a really good point. We’ve lost control of this information
My motivations are not specific to google.
I don’t want a large part of my life and thoughts to be linked to my identity, queryable in someone else’s database.
I grew up in DDR and know that a large fraction of people gain pleasure by having control over others. That data is an important avenue for that.
You can already see that governments all over the EU are trying to gain control over it. (To keep the children safe ofcourse).
That’s a really interesting point. Would you be happy to share your experiences of DDR?
Sure, ask away!
Thanks so much! How many people actually believed in it? How prevalent was the blackmarket? And how safe did people feel?
How prevalent was the blackmarket?
Officially, everyone with the same job description had the same wages. This resulted in everyone becoming a slacker. So what eventually developed as a public secret, was that factories tolerated “theft” by the good employees.
So the person working in the canning factory brought home tins of food every month, which they would sell and/or trade. The boss could claim, and the books would show, that everyone has the same wages.
This is not limited to labour. Public administrators, for example, would be tolerated to put some people ahead of others for housing/holliday/etc, and they would ask for a fee.
It was a large, well known taboo that everyone, even party members participated in.
How many people actually believed in it? And how safe did people feel?
I can’t speak for the early days. By the time I was born everyone I knew recognized it for what it was: the state as a weaponized tool to steal from and hurt others. An in-group of people decided how much equality and solidarity you deserve. You scratch their back, they grant you their leftovers.
Lots of the stasi files on people were shredded, and are intentionally slow being reconstructed, as they hope most people will be dead before they can read their own file. But estimates are that around 1-in-3 people were informants for the stasi. These are often neighbours, aunts, coworkers, …
It was dog-eat-dog, and outside a small bubble you never fully trusted someone. Even then, no guarantees, as the schooling system (tried to) radicalize children into informing about their parents. The teacher would get benefits for each successfull “catch”.
Of course! It’s not just a black market, employers need to give incentives to work hard. And it encourages government bribes.
And yes, however noble the idea, the kind of people attracted to powerful positions often aren’t nice people.
Trusting nobody is a hard way to live. How did the DDR effect you long term?
Trusting nobody is a hard way to live. How did the DDR effect you long term?
Quite bad tbh. We managed to emigrate in 98. But the distrust in others, what can you say to who, etc stayed as a reflex that requires cognitive recognition, and therapy, to lessen. I think of it like a light version of split personality.
I get that totally. Things learned in childhood are hard to unlearn. Thanks for sharing it’s interesting and made me sure I want to start degoogling. I do NOT want to give people that power over me
To me it’s about how invasive and all-encompassing Google tries to be, while giving little to no respect to our privacy.
I never explicitly and clearly agreed for a random company to follow me everywhere on the Internet, track me on millions of sites even outside Google itself, and be as reckless with the data as a kid, selling it left and right to whoever might concern. Neither do I think regular people would give such consent if consequences would be clearly explained, and not buried deep into ToS.
No, I do not have much to hide. But even if you don’t do anything bad, you don’t want a random stranger to constantly look into your windows when you’re at home, do you? It’s creepy at least. For me, Google is that stranger. And Meta. And Microsoft. And Apple etc.
So, making as little room for them in my life as humanly possible is my goal.
That’s an excellent point well made.
My data is my data. Period. Or at least it should be.
Abuse of position as dominant provider of search engine (incl. censorship) and mobile OS.
Labour Practice.
e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_GoogleSimiliar reasons apply to Amazon, Apple, Meta, Microsoft, PayPal, X and so on since well before Trump & Co.
e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_TechAppologies for my aggressive tone. I really hate these companies / their owners and what they are doing to our society, wellbeing, and humanness. It could have turned out so much different, if not for their greed and egoism!
i dont want google profiting by sending my data to the gov whos paying for it with my tax money
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Mainly political. While privacy and security are a concern, I’m more focused on stop using products by big corporations, in particularly those with ties to fascist parties and government agencies and I’m very wary of those who try to sell their products as “private and secure FOSS alternatives” while holding similar fascistic ideas.I respect that. What ties do they have to fascist parties and how close are they?
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MAGA/The GOP. Google financed Trump’s campaign (just like meta, amazon and all that crap).
Ideologically they’re pretty close and the latest changes have been in agreement to Trump’s policies.There’s the golf if America thing, the fact that they have been eliminating the posibility to report bigotry in Youtube.
It’s now that they work for/with three letter agencies, which isn’t only a “privacy concern” in the individualistic sense, but also a democracy concern, as these agencies spy and kill activists, orchestrate, train and backup dictatorships, interviene in elections, and more.
There was an issue here a decade ago of so of google prioritising right wing media, even if it it wasn’t known at all or if it was known to push fake news.
In addition to the privacy aspect, i wanted to reduce my dependency on outside/external factors as much as possible. I try to self-host and use FOSS where possible. Where not feasible, I try to diversify companies so I’m not overly reliant on one. That way, I can pivot much quicker if a company goes to shit.
That’s sensible
privacy and political reasons: google has been firing employees that support palestine for fucks sake
source: The Verge
Im a private person. I dont feel comfortable people knowing what i did, where i went etc. That applies to big tech as well. I dont have social media and never will.
Plus, i hate ads.
I dont have social media
Except for lemmy, I guess
Is lemmy considered as social media? I always though its a content aggregator. I dont even add friends or follow people here. Can we even do that? I just comment on people post every now and then. Never even post anything here. I dont see anything social aspect in here. Its all bot, you could be a bot for all i know. Im here for memes and self depreciation
There’s the privacy and constant tracking part of it, but it is also about not being hostage of the company. What if Drive is suddenly a payed-only service OR they lock me out of my account? I can recover faster and cheaper from a failing HDD in my NAS than I ever could from a locked (or deleted) Google account.
I’ve seen / was burned too many times by free software and services that suddenly disappeared of became overpriced and I don’t want to be on that position again. Google is well known for killing stuff as well.
Yeah they might lose your account out of sheer incompetence, or because they can’t be bothered to fix a mistake –why care when they are not accountable to anyone except shareholders.
There was that fun story of the guy who had the misfortune to take a picture of his son to send the doctor, which was flagged as cp and lost all his accounts, the police got involved, and even after the police cleared him Google refused to give him back his account…
