With surveys reporting that an increasing number of young men are subscribing to these beliefs, the number of women finding that their partners share the misogynistic views espoused by the likes of Andrew Tate is also on the rise. Research from anti-fascism organisation Hope Not Hate, which polled about 2,000 people across the UK aged 16 to 24, discovered that 41% of young men support Tate versus just 12% of young women.

“Numbers are growing, with wives worried about their husbands and partners becoming radicalised,” says Nigel Bromage, a reformed neo-Nazi who is now the director of Exit Hate Trust, a charity that helps people who want to leave the far right.

“Wives or partners become really worried about the impact on their family, especially those with young children, as they fear they will be influenced by extremism and racism.”

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    if you say “man” and “female” instead of “male” and “female”.

    That’s extra cringe if they do: that person needs to sort out their words. Is it not if they say “male” and “female”?

    Notice how calling someone “a black” is kinda icky?

    It’s hard cringe & awkward: certain to provoke odd looks.

    Referring to someone as an instance of their gender could be icky & cringe. That it’s also derogatory doesn’t follow: the easiest counterexample is “a male”.

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      What makes you the ultimate authority on what terms a woman can consider “derogatory”? Where do you get the power to decide what words other people should use to describe their own feelings? What makes your opinion about it more valid than those of others?

      Have you considered that the same word can make two different people feel two different ways? Unless you’ve got the power to know exactly what another person is feeling, there is nothing that makes your thoughts more valid than the thoughts of others in this matter. Doubling down that “derogatory” isn’t the right word to use gives the impression that you don’t believe “female” actually feels derogatory to a lot of women. Gotta wonder why that might be.

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        What makes you the ultimate authority

        Where do you get the power to decide

        What makes your opinion about it more valid

        I don’t need to be or decide it and it’s not my opinion: the language community is the ultimate authority of their language. Their collective choices establish observable conventions. Linguistics is dedicated to that approach.

        What makes your opinion about it more valid than those of others?

        Have you considered that the same word can make two different people feel two different ways?

        Subjectivist fallacy: your opinion/feelings don’t make claims true. Up doesn’t mean down because someone feels that way.

        Language has conventional, established meanings.

        Another comment fully argues, explains, & criticizes your argument, which I won’t bother to rehash here.

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      Male’s haven’t been actively repressed as a result of their gender for thousands of years. Simply switching the genders does not work because they’re not equitible terms. Systematically speaking, they come from different backgrounds and expectations.

      I take your point that “female” as a durogatory term is relative to the context it’s used in. But we can’t pretend we’ve lived in a world of equal opportunity that treats men and women, males and females, equally in trying to make that point.

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        But we can’t pretend we’ve lived in a world of equal opportunity that treats men and women, males and females, equally

        in trying to make that point.

        While I agree with the first part, that is not implied or necessary to refute the argument as presented.

        They argued the same reasoning applies to “male” (literally). It clearly doesn’t.

        Therefore, whatever the reasoning could be, their argument isn’t it. Basic logic.

        If a sound argument exists, we should present that. Otherwise, we’re pretending to reason.