I mean… I kinda get it, but nowadays it’s starting to get absurd.

(EDIT: This was supposed to be a “blow air out my nose and get on with my life” meme…)

  • surph_ninja@lemmy.world
    716·
    5 days ago

    Sounds like you’ve absorbed a lot of propaganda. Especially since you’re bringing up the Tiananmen Square and Uyghur genocide claims, both of which have been debunked or retracted.

    • HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      1·
      2 days ago

      I don’t understand, are you saying that Tiananmen Sqare is faked? Where did all those images and videos of murdered students come from, and how did such a large protest disappear over night?
      I’m genuinely curious to understand.

        • HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          1·
          2 days ago

          “The Chinese government’s account acknowledges that street fighting and armed clashes occurred in nearby neighborhoods. They say that approximately three hundred died that night including many soldiers who died from gunfire, Molotov cocktails and beatings. But they have insisted that there was no massacre.”

          Look, am I to believe that only students were the ones who fired weapons? What does this paragraph mean to you? Did any soldiers fire any weapons that night?

          • surph_ninja@lemmy.world
            1·
            2 days ago

            Maybe try reading the whole thing? Sorry, I understand folks don’t like reading anything longer than a tweet, but you gotta do that sometimes in life.

            The student protest was earlier in the day. The anti-government protestors came back with weapons later. And at the time, western journalists confirmed. But the anti-China narrative evolved over the years.

            • HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone
              1·
              2 days ago

              So. You’re saying that every single student protestor left, then, later in the day, an entirely new group of protestors emerged, who were armed and violent? I read the entire article, twice, but I don’t believe that there were two distinct groups.

              • surph_ninja@lemmy.world
                1·
                2 days ago

                What is this “you’re saying” nonsense? I’m not saying shit.

                I’m referencing multiple sources, including multiple journalists and news agencies at the time. They are saying one thing, while anti-China spooks are saying another.

                How does your beliefs have any weight here? Multiple outlets confirmed the fact, as have leaked intelligence documents. Your opinion carries no value here, same as my own.

                • HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                  1·
                  2 days ago

                  Well, to make you feel better. I feel more educated regarding the protest and what occurred. Went from thinking the army firing blindly on protestors to aligning with Wikipedia.

        • buddascrayon@lemmy.world
          74·
          5 days ago

          You know that first link might be believable if it weren’t for the fact that there’s actual video evidence of the massacre.

          As well as pictures.

          Trigger warning on the pictures. Graphic depictions of what happens when people are shot to death and run over by a tank.

          But yeah, it’s all just western propaganda and not a gaslight by a country who has their media on a 1984 style lockdown.

          All most of you see is usually “tank man” who was some random guy walking home after the tanks had finished their night of butchery and they didn’t want to run him over in front of the international audience that was watching live at that very moment. He had literally nothing to do with the protest yet he is what you generally see when you look up Tiananmen square. I wonder why that is? 🤔😒

          This is all without mentioning how completely unreliable wikileaks is. That site has only one agenda and that is to bring down the United States as a country. Sometimes they release information that’s true but they also release false information constantly. If you’re relying on that as a source then you are a fool.

        • Zink@programming.dev
          52·
          5 days ago

          Your first link describes how well they treated their captives. They are practically saints!

          The U.S. State Department’s Office of the Legal Advisor concluded earlier this year that China’s mass imprisonment and forced labor of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity—but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide

          • surph_ninja@lemmy.world
            34·
            5 days ago

            You do realize the US has the biggest prison population (also used for forced labor) in the entire world?

            I would take the claims with a grain of salt. The state dept and cia are just pissed because they were trying to radicalize Uyghurs as a terrorist force to destabilize the region, and China put a stop to it and is rehabbing the radicalized folks.

            https://x.com/Heresyour2dolla/status/1237106293585915916?mx=2

            https://youtu.be/AaitXSdjFP8

            • Zink@programming.dev
              71·
              5 days ago

              You do realize the US has the biggest prison population (also used for forced labor) in the entire world?

              Textbook whataboutism. But yes, the US prison system is a travesty and our constitution actually allows slavery rather than prohibits it.

              Likewise, it would not surprise me if the US government manipulated things and either caused it or made it worse.

              • surph_ninja@lemmy.world
                32·
                5 days ago

                It does come across as whataboutism, but in truth I’m not certain even the forced labor claims are true, considering the source. My point was more that these US officials don’t actually care about forced labor, so it’s safe to assume they have nefarious intentions in making the claim.