Will you build a competitor? Move to one of the existing alternatives?
I’ve received so many messages of kind people offering to work with me to build a competitor to Reddit, and while I’m very flattered, that’s not something I’m interested in doing. I’m a product guy, I like building fun apps for people to use, and I’m just not personally interested in something more managerial.
These last several months have also been incredibly exhausting and mentally draining, I don’t have it in me to engage in something so enormous.
I think what he’s getting at here is people asking him about building an alternative platform to Reddit - much like Lemmy, Kbin, Tildes, etc. are - as opposed to an app serving as the frontend for an existing alternative platform. I’ve seen poeple buzzing about that on some of those threads about Apollo on Reddit. Those people are so in denial, and there were so many of them, that I couldn’t conjure to effort to point how ridiculous that idea is. Some people did, and were quickly shut down with the usual complaints (fediverse is confusing / doesn’t work, etc.)
The whole insistence that the fediverse is too complicated is so strange to me. People are acting like you need to know how to federate multiple servers in order to make/read posts. It’s been exactly the same experience as setting up an account on any other website for me. The only difference is I had to spend five minutes understanding what an instance and how to find communities on instances that are not my own.
Some people are just fundamentally resistant to any kind of change, I suppose.
This is good to see. While I kind of like the affect this knowledge filter has had on the quality of the communities here on the fediverse, it’s more important that we can build something that lets people connect without someone feeling the need to monetize it beyond covering upkeep costs.
I agree. It’s just people being lazy and resistant to change. The irony is that it was exactly those “big techs” that bred this kind of behavior on them, now they turn around to criticize those big techs, but have no spine to do what actually takes to change that, so they keep on taking the abuse.
I thought I was getting the hang of it until I couldn’t find communities. I pasted the link into jerboa and it still can’t find it… I can see the community on a feddit directory but I can’t find it in jerboa.
I don’t know about Jerboa, but this happens on the web too, and it’s usually on more fringe / less popular communities. There’s a workaround that works for me, I mostly heard about it from someone else here on Lemmy. It’s not great user experience, but it works.
Go to the search function;
Type in the name of the community, hit enter;
Select “Commnities” on the search type dropdown (yes, you have to do it after submitting the search as per the previous steps, seems like another UI bug);
If after doing the above the community is not found, then here enters the magic sauce:
Change the search terms so the community is fully qualified / keyed as !communityname@instance.server, all in lowercase. So, for example, if you’re looking for the “kreisvegs” community on feddit.de, type !kreisvegs@feddit.de on the search field;
Submit. It still won’t be found. Give it a few seconds, change back the search terms to only the community name (without the instace and “!” at the start). Submit. It should now show up.
You may have to repeat step 4 onwards a couple times, sometimes.
My uneducated guess as to what’s happening: the federated communities listing is probably cached on the instance, and by default it’ll only look for communities cached on your instance. My guess is that federated communities only gets into the instance cache when members of the current instance have searched / subscribed to that community. Typing the fully qualified community name on the search field (which is the tip I got from someone else) apparently forces the search function to actually contact the external instance to look for the community, instead of looking in the cache, but that can take some time, hence why you should wait a few seconds on the 6th step. That guess could also explain the problem also happening on Jerboa, since the problem would be server-side.
That’s kinda ignorant of the HUGE amount of work it takes to build an alternative Reddit, not to mention the community management and moderation tools.
Why not just deploy a Lemmy instance, turn off federation and call it a day?
Apollo is also more than just a consumer for an API, they run their own servers as well create a better user experience.
Ok I had read that too. A different interpretation of your take on that is that he builds products (the app that accesses content) not the whole platform itself (Reddit or Lemmy). So it’s still possible he could build an app for Lemmy. He just wouldn’t try to build the whole ecosystem like Lemmy is.
I think Christian mentioned he isn’t planning to port Apollo to Lemmy, but I haven’t given up hope just yet!
I didn’t know that, he say why?
He mentioned it in his “Apollo will close down on June 30th” post on /r/ApolloApp (I’m linking it here, but here’s the quote so you don’t have to gift Reddit your traffic):
I think what he’s getting at here is people asking him about building an alternative platform to Reddit - much like Lemmy, Kbin, Tildes, etc. are - as opposed to an app serving as the frontend for an existing alternative platform. I’ve seen poeple buzzing about that on some of those threads about Apollo on Reddit. Those people are so in denial, and there were so many of them, that I couldn’t conjure to effort to point how ridiculous that idea is. Some people did, and were quickly shut down with the usual complaints (fediverse is confusing / doesn’t work, etc.)
The whole insistence that the fediverse is too complicated is so strange to me. People are acting like you need to know how to federate multiple servers in order to make/read posts. It’s been exactly the same experience as setting up an account on any other website for me. The only difference is I had to spend five minutes understanding what an instance and how to find communities on instances that are not my own.
Some people are just fundamentally resistant to any kind of change, I suppose.
and pretty soon you won’t even need that level of information
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/1113
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/issues/1048
Once these are solved, it’ll be identical to reddit in terms of knowledge needed.
This is good to see. While I kind of like the affect this knowledge filter has had on the quality of the communities here on the fediverse, it’s more important that we can build something that lets people connect without someone feeling the need to monetize it beyond covering upkeep costs.
I agree. It’s just people being lazy and resistant to change. The irony is that it was exactly those “big techs” that bred this kind of behavior on them, now they turn around to criticize those big techs, but have no spine to do what actually takes to change that, so they keep on taking the abuse.
I thought I was getting the hang of it until I couldn’t find communities. I pasted the link into jerboa and it still can’t find it… I can see the community on a feddit directory but I can’t find it in jerboa.
I don’t know about Jerboa, but this happens on the web too, and it’s usually on more fringe / less popular communities. There’s a workaround that works for me, I mostly heard about it from someone else here on Lemmy. It’s not great user experience, but it works.
!communityname@instance.server, all in lowercase. So, for example, if you’re looking for the “kreisvegs” community on feddit.de, type!kreisvegs@feddit.deon the search field;You may have to repeat step 4 onwards a couple times, sometimes.
My uneducated guess as to what’s happening: the federated communities listing is probably cached on the instance, and by default it’ll only look for communities cached on your instance. My guess is that federated communities only gets into the instance cache when members of the current instance have searched / subscribed to that community. Typing the fully qualified community name on the search field (which is the tip I got from someone else) apparently forces the search function to actually contact the external instance to look for the community, instead of looking in the cache, but that can take some time, hence why you should wait a few seconds on the 6th step. That guess could also explain the problem also happening on Jerboa, since the problem would be server-side.
It may be a bug, I’ve been seeing some weird quirks in Jeroba myself, though I’ll admit I’m still figuring it out.
That’s kinda ignorant of the HUGE amount of work it takes to build an alternative Reddit, not to mention the community management and moderation tools.
Why not just deploy a Lemmy instance, turn off federation and call it a day?
Apollo is also more than just a consumer for an API, they run their own servers as well create a better user experience.
Ok I had read that too. A different interpretation of your take on that is that he builds products (the app that accesses content) not the whole platform itself (Reddit or Lemmy). So it’s still possible he could build an app for Lemmy. He just wouldn’t try to build the whole ecosystem like Lemmy is.
I sure hope you’re right, but as the title also includes “Move to one of the existing alternatives?” I interpreted it as a no.
But you know, we’ll see down the line :)
Apollo set the bar for the next app to meet/exceed.