Mitch McConell says the quiet part out loud.

Exact full quote from CNN:

“People think, increasingly it appears, that we shouldn’t be doing this. Well, let me start by saying we haven’t lost a single American in this war,” McConnell said. “Most of the money that we spend related to Ukraine is actually spent in the US, replenishing weapons, more modern weapons. So it’s actually employing people here and improving our own military for what may lie ahead.”

cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/4085063

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    and has survived everything the US threw at it so far

    The point being the US threw a lot of shit at it because of course the US wouldn’t tolerate those missiles being there, and Russia won’t tolerate NATO being in Ukraine.

    If China made a defensive alliance with Mexico that included a military base in Tijuana, Mexico would suddenly be in need of some democracy and freedom.

    Continuing to deny this basic reality means your position isn’t connected to reality.

    Peace requires a sustainable security situation for Russia not just for Ukraine and for Russia that means no NATO since NATO is hostile to Russia. It’s clear and denying this is just putting your head in the sand.

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      Yes, but the point is with Cuba, missiles were removed, peace deal was reached.

      Does the US have to place nukes in Ukraine so that by removing them russia will stop attacking it?

      But by all means, if Trump starts threatening Mexico with some bullshit invasion to clean out the cartels, they should by all means ask China and anyone else to help out, sure! That’s how it works in a bipolar world (there is no multipolar world, russia’s empire is gone and China+US will make sure it never returns)

      NATO is not hostile to russia, NATO prevents russia from invading its western neighbours, which is obviously a bummer to russia.

      The sustainable security solution is: russia respects borders and other countries’ sovereignty. The end.

      • Yes, but the point is with Cuba, missiles were removed, peace deal was reached.

        Yeah so the obvious conclusion is that peace in Cuba required satisfying the US’s demand to not have a Soviet military presence there.

        Likewise peace in Ukraine requires not having a NATO military presence there.

        Pretending that NATO isn’t hostile to Russia is also simply disconnected from reality. You need to connect your world view to reality.

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          Also we have been punishing Cuba with an embargo which has crippled their economy ever since just because we can.

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          Well, the weapons are still in Cuba, thank god :) and Cuba has an air force, which I suppose was given/sold to Cuba by the USSR/China, so maybe the US can also give some F16 to Ukraine. The USSR also sent planes and soviet crews to fight the Americans in Vietnam, so there is precedent for all that.

          NATO is hostile to russia’s imperial ambitions and so are all of its neighbours.

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        Yes, but the point is with Cuba, missiles were removed, peace deal was reached.

        You get that in this analogy Ukraine is taking the place of Cuba, right? Like NATO is using Ukraine as a disposable proxy to bleed Russia… okay well the metaphor falls apart because the details are really different, but Cuba was threatening the US in a vaguely similar way to how Ukraine is threatening Russia, and the peace deal was that Cuba would remove all the missiles and in exchange the US would remove it’s missiles from Turkey and not massacre the Cuban population. So the equivalent would be Ukraine agreeing not to join NATO (not that NATO was ever going to let them), disarm, and stop trying to wipe out Russian speaking Ukrainians.

        NATO is not hostile to russia

        NATO’s explicit purpose is and always have been the destruction of the Russian state and the pillaging of it’s resources and it’s beyond bad faith to state otherwise.