It’s not theft, because it doesn’t deprive the original owner of anything.
But if it did, theft from billionaire hollywood studio owners is cool and good.
You’re not paying the wages of the hollywood workers, you’re just increasing the funds the studios have to break the worker’s strikes and further depress their conditions.
What’s legal is not necessarily what’s moral, and there’s nothing immoral about freely procuring an infinitely replicable digital product. If anything, it’s immoral to enclose upon them and charge rents for them. No better than landlords, the big streaming companies, save for the fact that entertainment isn’t vital for living.
You think people renting out their property is immoral?
Correct. All wealth is the product of labor, therefore rent and profit are theft, and workers taking back a bit of the wealth stolen from them is good.
Landlords are parasites that prey on the vulnerable and produce nothing of value. Corporations who own and profit from ”intellectual property” are no different.
I’m quite aware there’s some silly laws written by those same billionaire’s lobbies and passed by their politicians.
Copying something is quite obviously not stealing from someone.
But again, stealing back some of the wealth the billionaires have stolen from us is morally good. If you’re not stealing from them, you’re stealing from your family to support your family’s further deprivation.
And did you at any point ask yourself why they own these things? Why Netflix the corporate entity owns media it did not produce while stiffing the people that did out of just compensation? Or how that information slightly complicates the otherwise simple nature of property and theft?
The only mental gymnast here is you bud. The simple fact is, labor creates value, and Netflix has no part in that. I doubt they even put up any of their own capital in producing these shows.
It’s not theft, because it doesn’t deprive the original owner of anything.
That’s not how theft works. It’s called intellectual property. You are depriving the creator of compensation for the work they have dedicated resources to producing.
If it wasn’t, no one would ever develop any kind of software or scientific research or write a book or produce any kind of intangible work whatsoever.
This is complete nonsense fabricated by entitled children and it is exhausting.
theft from billionaire hollywood studio owners is cool and good.
You can justify it however you want. That’s what any criminal does. It doesn’t make it not theft.
Not so. The people who actually produce media (actors, writers, production crew) rarely if ever see fair compensation or residuals for their work. The only people you’re stealing from are the people who already stole the value that the actual creators generated, i.e. the studio. And in my opinion, you can’t rob a thief anyway.
This logic doesn’t hold with smaller and/or independent projects, which even the saltiest pirates acknowledge should be payed for in the usual manner.
Edit: Your point about compensation doesn’t even have a completely factual basis. Numerous scientific and medical advancements throughout history have been produced without compensation, often because their creators intentionally declined to profit from them. Sir Banting is a favored example around here; he was one of the first to synthesize insulin, and he and his colleagues opted not to patent it so that it would be as widely available as possible.
The people who actually produce media (actors, writers, production crew) rarely if ever see fair compensation or residuals for their work.
And in your utopia there would be zero compensation because the project would never be started in the first place.
The only people you’re stealing from are the people who already stole the value that the actual creators generated, i.e. the studio.
What? How does a studio steal the value that they created…?
This logic doesn’t hold with smaller and/or independent projects
No one mentioned anything about “small projects”. Tell me which of these small projects are not allowed to be pirated?
Your point about compensation doesn’t even have a completely factual basis. Numerous scientific and medical advancements throughout history have been produced without compensation
Because they have fucking day jobs that allow them the freedom to do that. Day jobs where they’re paid to do the same kind of work professionally and are able to dedicate the time to develop the skills and experience necessary to develop these side projects…
They make things without getting compensated for it. Same goes for everyone whose hobbies are drawing, painting, making music or any creative endeavor. I’m sure you also have hobbies, are you paid to do them?
Who said anything about who owns the IP? Software developers get paid because people pay for their software. If no one paid for it, it would never be made. Why is this so hard to understand?
But you can watch those movies and shows for free. The only part you’re paying for are the ads.
…what are you talking about? No it’s not.
I assure you all movies and TV shows are absolutely free to the end user should they so choose
There are many things that are free if you just ignore the law. Cars are free. Groceries are free. People’s wallets are free!
I’m downloading a car right now
You mean should they choose to steal them? No shit, everything is free if you steal it. Not everyone wants to be a thief.
It’s not theft, because it doesn’t deprive the original owner of anything.
But if it did, theft from billionaire hollywood studio owners is cool and good.
You’re not paying the wages of the hollywood workers, you’re just increasing the funds the studios have to break the worker’s strikes and further depress their conditions.
It’s legally theft. You can try as much mental gymnastics as you want to try and convince yourself you’re not breaking the law, but you are.
It’s probably the most victimless theft that there is, but it’s still theft.
What’s legal is not necessarily what’s moral, and there’s nothing immoral about freely procuring an infinitely replicable digital product. If anything, it’s immoral to enclose upon them and charge rents for them. No better than landlords, the big streaming companies, save for the fact that entertainment isn’t vital for living.
There’s absolutely something immoral about stealing. If you don’t think there is then it just means your morals are out of whack.
You think people renting out their property is immoral? Yeah nah, your opinion on this is wrong.
Correct. All wealth is the product of labor, therefore rent and profit are theft, and workers taking back a bit of the wealth stolen from them is good.
Landlords are parasites that prey on the vulnerable and produce nothing of value. Corporations who own and profit from ”intellectual property” are no different.
And what precisely is the moral issue with stealing? Depriving someone of their personal property, which piracy is not.
I’m quite aware there’s some silly laws written by those same billionaire’s lobbies and passed by their politicians.
Copying something is quite obviously not stealing from someone.
But again, stealing back some of the wealth the billionaires have stolen from us is morally good. If you’re not stealing from them, you’re stealing from your family to support your family’s further deprivation.
It absolutely is stealing. You’re taking something that is not yours, something that someone else owns and charges money for.
Mental gymnastics.
And did you at any point ask yourself why they own these things? Why Netflix the corporate entity owns media it did not produce while stiffing the people that did out of just compensation? Or how that information slightly complicates the otherwise simple nature of property and theft?
The only mental gymnast here is you bud. The simple fact is, labor creates value, and Netflix has no part in that. I doubt they even put up any of their own capital in producing these shows.
That’s not how theft works. It’s called intellectual property. You are depriving the creator of compensation for the work they have dedicated resources to producing.
If it wasn’t, no one would ever develop any kind of software or scientific research or write a book or produce any kind of intangible work whatsoever.
This is complete nonsense fabricated by entitled children and it is exhausting.
You can justify it however you want. That’s what any criminal does. It doesn’t make it not theft.
Not so. The people who actually produce media (actors, writers, production crew) rarely if ever see fair compensation or residuals for their work. The only people you’re stealing from are the people who already stole the value that the actual creators generated, i.e. the studio. And in my opinion, you can’t rob a thief anyway.
This logic doesn’t hold with smaller and/or independent projects, which even the saltiest pirates acknowledge should be payed for in the usual manner.
Edit: Your point about compensation doesn’t even have a completely factual basis. Numerous scientific and medical advancements throughout history have been produced without compensation, often because their creators intentionally declined to profit from them. Sir Banting is a favored example around here; he was one of the first to synthesize insulin, and he and his colleagues opted not to patent it so that it would be as widely available as possible.
And in your utopia there would be zero compensation because the project would never be started in the first place.
What? How does a studio steal the value that they created…?
No one mentioned anything about “small projects”. Tell me which of these small projects are not allowed to be pirated?
Because they have fucking day jobs that allow them the freedom to do that. Day jobs where they’re paid to do the same kind of work professionally and are able to dedicate the time to develop the skills and experience necessary to develop these side projects…
Open source software developers, fan translators, emulation developers, etc.: lol.
What about them? roflmao
They make things without getting compensated for it. Same goes for everyone whose hobbies are drawing, painting, making music or any creative endeavor. I’m sure you also have hobbies, are you paid to do them?
The overwhelming majority of software developers and researchers are paid a salary and don’t get own the IP of their inventions.
Who said anything about who owns the IP? Software developers get paid because people pay for their software. If no one paid for it, it would never be made. Why is this so hard to understand?
lol I clicked your name to see if you were doing a bit, and apparently you don’t tip servers.
People who deserve money, according to Huge Anus:
[❌]Food service workers
[❌]Hollywood workers
[❌]Tech workers
[✅]Landlords, Shareholders, copyright trolls, and IP rights giants
You did when you said you’re depriving the creator of compensation when you pirate something.