To third-party voters: I fully believe in votes of conscience and there will be plenty of time for you to create an alternative to the system we currently have in place—but now isn’t that time. A protest vote now isn’t a protest, it’s reckless and wasteful and it will cost you any future opportunity you’re hoping for. You will lose the voice you have.
If you are voting for genocide with “lesser evil” logic then you have already lost any voice worth having.
There is a reason these cowards can’t even describe the basic facts with explicit terms. They know what it means to say, “vote for a gemocider” so they hem and has and play with euphemisms.
But you don’t need to be convinced by these shills. You can do better than support genocide.
Even if I accept your framing that a vote for Kamala is a vote for genocide in Gaza, literally any other action is a vote for that genocide, plus one in Ukraine, plus one in the US. We know this because that’s what Trump has said. We know this because that’s what he tried to do the last time. And we will have this problem until Trumpism is soundly defeated.
You want a real left choice sometime in your lifetime? We need to vote Dem hard enough to make it clear that Republicans can’t win. We’re not there yet.
Even if I accept your framing that a vote for Kamala is a vote for genocide in Gaza, literally any other action is a vote for that genocide
Believe it or not if you don’t vote for genociders you aren’t voting for genociders.
plus one in Ukraine
There is not a genocide in Ukraine and you and others cheapen the term by misusing it this way. Ukraine is in a war, a fairly conventional modern peer war. War is horrible enough, of course.
And that war? Its continuation? Maximalist escalation? That is actually Democrats’ current specialty. They are worse on that topic. And I don’t mean I believe Republicans’ contrarianism, I mean that Dems are much more effective provocateurs and stewards of that form of empire.
plus one in the US
If the US has one genocide then it certainly actually has many and the Democrats are complicit there as well.
We know this because that’s what Trump has said. We know this because that’s what he tried to do the last time
What? Trump tried to do genocide in Ukraine last time? I think you got lost in talking points.
And we will have this problem until Trumpism is soundly defeated.
The Trumpism that was elevated by the Clinton campaign because they thought it would be an easier adversary? The Trumpism that the Biden-Harris administration has largely left intact as policy? Nah, Dems aren’t actually fighting, let alone defeating, the Trump cult. You’d have to actually do something between elections.
You want a real left choice sometime in your lifetime?
See now you are just lost in talking points again. Remember, I am telling you to not vote for genociders. This is not a “try to discipline people to your left” situation. That is… gross.
We need to vote Dem hard enough to make it clear that Republicans can’t win.
A haha haha haha haha. How are you going to vote “hard” for Dems? The ones celebrating Republican war criminal endorsements and siccing the cops on me for acting in solidarity with Palestine? The Dems that just declared Samidoun a terrorist org? The Dems committjng genocide? Those Dems? They are also our enemy.
Well, so long as you consider Palestinians people. That is still unknown and all signs point to no.
Can’t vote Democrat because support of Israel. That means you also can’t support Republicans, because they support the full extent of the genocide even more with Trump telling Israel to finish the job. And that means you can’t support (most) 3rd party candidates, because the Green Party is primarily funded by Republican donors, and the candidates themselves have investments that go against everything the Green Party is supposed to stand for.
Where does that leave us? You say it’s hemming and hawing with euphemisms. Right now, all candidates lead down the same foreign affairs path. Not all candidates lead down the same road on policies regarding education, corporate regulations, federal health regulations. All things that were decimated under Trump’s presidency. Not to mention, the sheer amount of hate crime that conservatives feel more comfortable doing with Republican presidents in office, leading to people of color and queer politicians stepping down from fear of their livelihood.
But I guess Trump saying he wants to deport protestors and moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, on top of everything else his administration did to the U.S. is completely reasonable.
Can’t vote Democrat because support of Israel. That means you also can’t support Republicans, because they support the full extent of the genocide even more with Trump telling Israel to finish the job.
Yes you should work against both major genocidal capitalist parties. To do otherwise is to facilitate the primary forces of oppression and mass death on the planet. They, particularly the Democrats, will tell you they are here to reduce harm while they starve entire countries. They just want public support and consent and believe, often correctly, that this can be purchased solely with PR firms.
And that means you can’t support (most) 3rd party candidates, because the Green Party is primarily funded by Republican donors, and the candidates themselves have investments that go against everything the Green Party is supposed to stand for.
Voting Green at least opposes the normalization of genocide among liberals. Y’all are going to pretend you were against it in a few years just like you did with the war on Iraq. Rather than try to save face, just be on the right side when it actually matters instead.
Also the greens are not the only third party and you can also leave the line blank. Furthermore, you can decide, ever minute of every day, to shut that mouth and stop typing those keys to normalize and justify support for genocide.
Where does that leave us? You say it’s hemming and hawing with euphemisms.
It is hemming and hawing with euphemisms and vagaries. None of you will sat, “yes I will vote for those doing genocide”. You get close to it, but usually bail because you know what you are doing is wrong but wish to project the usual righteous smugness that being slightly to the right of Reagan, i.e. a Democratic voter, provides. Most won’t say the word genocide at all. IRL they go quiet. It shatters this illusion of being the good guys, and personal moralizing and identity is the primary aspect of Democrat ideology nowadays.
Right now, all candidates lead down the same foreign affairs path.
This is obviously untrue.
Not all candidates lead down the same road on policies regarding education, corporate regulations, federal health regulations.
Yes I am aware of the tried and true lesser evil sheepdogging. It does not excuse supporting genocide.
All things that were decimated under Trump’s presidency.
Biden has done little to reset this and even normalized a pandemic while slashing benefits. That had a massive material detriment to the public, especially poor people who were forced back to work during a panddmic in less safe conditions just to prop up capital. Trump’s COVID pandering, while still capitalist and sociopathic, was objectively better for working people.
Do you see what impact liberal normalization can have? Look at how you all went to sleep under Biden, even justifying these kinds of things. Palestinians, the immunocompromised, impoverished service workers, the hyperexploited undocumented immigrant labot underclass? Under the bus.
Not allies at all.
Not to mention, the sheer amount of hate crime that conservatives feel more comfortable doing with Republican presidents in office, leading to people of color and queer politicians stepping down from fear of their livelihood.
Palestinians and advocates for Palestinians are routinely hounded out of their positions by Democratic Zionists. The state apparatuses they build criminalize solidarity activity and call Palestinians and their resistance organizations terrorists, repeating racist rhetoric. They have doubled down on massively ramping up the police rather than address root material causes of poverty and deprivation, choosing capitalist-friendly violence instead. Cops terrorize neighborhoods routinely, generally along racial lines.
And then Democrats come along and say, “vote for a genocide or it will be even worse”. Listen to yourself. Your case is that of a mob boss. “Pay us for protection or something bad might happen”.
But I guess Trump saying he wants to deport protestors and moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, on top of everything else his administration did to the U.S. is completely reasonable.
Please do your best to reply to what I actually say and not silly things that you invent.
Nevermind that. He said he wanted to call out the military on anyone who didn’t vote for him on live television. Why isn’t the NYT reporting on that?
Oh, it’s just Trump!
At this point, I’m fairly convinced that the people trying to argue that we shouldn’t support Democrats because of a single issue, no matter how important that issue, are Russian assets.
If my choices are “the end,” “the end slightly delayed because we’ve no interest in preventing it,” or “worse than the first guys because I didn’t worship the duopoly” I’ve already lost my voice, havent I?
Democrats have shut off all paths to move them left, including having it ruled in court that the DNC can do whatever they want. Democrats spend more energy attacking leftists than they ever do Republicans.
If leftists are such a critical threat to Democrats they probably should have courted those voters instead of the cycle of telling them to eat shit for 3 years then spending a year blaming them for dem losses. 🤷♂️
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If you are voting for genocide with “lesser evil” logic then you have already lost any voice worth having.
There is a reason these cowards can’t even describe the basic facts with explicit terms. They know what it means to say, “vote for a gemocider” so they hem and has and play with euphemisms.
But you don’t need to be convinced by these shills. You can do better than support genocide.
Even if I accept your framing that a vote for Kamala is a vote for genocide in Gaza, literally any other action is a vote for that genocide, plus one in Ukraine, plus one in the US. We know this because that’s what Trump has said. We know this because that’s what he tried to do the last time. And we will have this problem until Trumpism is soundly defeated. You want a real left choice sometime in your lifetime? We need to vote Dem hard enough to make it clear that Republicans can’t win. We’re not there yet.
Believe it or not if you don’t vote for genociders you aren’t voting for genociders.
There is not a genocide in Ukraine and you and others cheapen the term by misusing it this way. Ukraine is in a war, a fairly conventional modern peer war. War is horrible enough, of course.
And that war? Its continuation? Maximalist escalation? That is actually Democrats’ current specialty. They are worse on that topic. And I don’t mean I believe Republicans’ contrarianism, I mean that Dems are much more effective provocateurs and stewards of that form of empire.
If the US has one genocide then it certainly actually has many and the Democrats are complicit there as well.
What? Trump tried to do genocide in Ukraine last time? I think you got lost in talking points.
The Trumpism that was elevated by the Clinton campaign because they thought it would be an easier adversary? The Trumpism that the Biden-Harris administration has largely left intact as policy? Nah, Dems aren’t actually fighting, let alone defeating, the Trump cult. You’d have to actually do something between elections.
See now you are just lost in talking points again. Remember, I am telling you to not vote for genociders. This is not a “try to discipline people to your left” situation. That is… gross.
A haha haha haha haha. How are you going to vote “hard” for Dems? The ones celebrating Republican war criminal endorsements and siccing the cops on me for acting in solidarity with Palestine? The Dems that just declared Samidoun a terrorist org? The Dems committjng genocide? Those Dems? They are also our enemy.
Well, so long as you consider Palestinians people. That is still unknown and all signs point to no.
Can’t vote Democrat because support of Israel. That means you also can’t support Republicans, because they support the full extent of the genocide even more with Trump telling Israel to finish the job. And that means you can’t support (most) 3rd party candidates, because the Green Party is primarily funded by Republican donors, and the candidates themselves have investments that go against everything the Green Party is supposed to stand for.
Where does that leave us? You say it’s hemming and hawing with euphemisms. Right now, all candidates lead down the same foreign affairs path. Not all candidates lead down the same road on policies regarding education, corporate regulations, federal health regulations. All things that were decimated under Trump’s presidency. Not to mention, the sheer amount of hate crime that conservatives feel more comfortable doing with Republican presidents in office, leading to people of color and queer politicians stepping down from fear of their livelihood.
But I guess Trump saying he wants to deport protestors and moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, on top of everything else his administration did to the U.S. is completely reasonable.
Yes you should work against both major genocidal capitalist parties. To do otherwise is to facilitate the primary forces of oppression and mass death on the planet. They, particularly the Democrats, will tell you they are here to reduce harm while they starve entire countries. They just want public support and consent and believe, often correctly, that this can be purchased solely with PR firms.
Voting Green at least opposes the normalization of genocide among liberals. Y’all are going to pretend you were against it in a few years just like you did with the war on Iraq. Rather than try to save face, just be on the right side when it actually matters instead.
Also the greens are not the only third party and you can also leave the line blank. Furthermore, you can decide, ever minute of every day, to shut that mouth and stop typing those keys to normalize and justify support for genocide.
It is hemming and hawing with euphemisms and vagaries. None of you will sat, “yes I will vote for those doing genocide”. You get close to it, but usually bail because you know what you are doing is wrong but wish to project the usual righteous smugness that being slightly to the right of Reagan, i.e. a Democratic voter, provides. Most won’t say the word genocide at all. IRL they go quiet. It shatters this illusion of being the good guys, and personal moralizing and identity is the primary aspect of Democrat ideology nowadays.
This is obviously untrue.
Yes I am aware of the tried and true lesser evil sheepdogging. It does not excuse supporting genocide.
Biden has done little to reset this and even normalized a pandemic while slashing benefits. That had a massive material detriment to the public, especially poor people who were forced back to work during a panddmic in less safe conditions just to prop up capital. Trump’s COVID pandering, while still capitalist and sociopathic, was objectively better for working people.
Do you see what impact liberal normalization can have? Look at how you all went to sleep under Biden, even justifying these kinds of things. Palestinians, the immunocompromised, impoverished service workers, the hyperexploited undocumented immigrant labot underclass? Under the bus.
Not allies at all.
Palestinians and advocates for Palestinians are routinely hounded out of their positions by Democratic Zionists. The state apparatuses they build criminalize solidarity activity and call Palestinians and their resistance organizations terrorists, repeating racist rhetoric. They have doubled down on massively ramping up the police rather than address root material causes of poverty and deprivation, choosing capitalist-friendly violence instead. Cops terrorize neighborhoods routinely, generally along racial lines.
And then Democrats come along and say, “vote for a genocide or it will be even worse”. Listen to yourself. Your case is that of a mob boss. “Pay us for protection or something bad might happen”.
Please do your best to reply to what I actually say and not silly things that you invent.
You should oppose genocide.
Nevermind that. He said he wanted to call out the military on anyone who didn’t vote for him on live television. Why isn’t the NYT reporting on that?
Oh, it’s just Trump!
At this point, I’m fairly convinced that the people trying to argue that we shouldn’t support Democrats because of a single issue, no matter how important that issue, are Russian assets.
What’s the single issue? Why can’t you describe it?
You admit your complicity in genocide by these behaviors. You know it is shameful.
Your trolling is tiresome. I’m done pretending you’re discussing anything with any integrity.
If my choices are “the end,” “the end slightly delayed because we’ve no interest in preventing it,” or “worse than the first guys because I didn’t worship the duopoly” I’ve already lost my voice, havent I?
Democrats have shut off all paths to move them left, including having it ruled in court that the DNC can do whatever they want. Democrats spend more energy attacking leftists than they ever do Republicans.
If leftists are such a critical threat to Democrats they probably should have courted those voters instead of the cycle of telling them to eat shit for 3 years then spending a year blaming them for dem losses. 🤷♂️