Dude isn’t this “mildly infuriating”. The daily mail is designed to piss people off, feels more than “mildly” infuriating lol
!deliberatelyinfuriating?
Amazing how we’ve gone from “clap for the NHS they’re amazing” to “you want fair compensation? psst!”
Also if the strike has only been going on for a little while then how does the Daily Mail account for the fact that NHS quality has gone down every year of the decade long Tory rule.
Maybe it’s not the doctors that’s the problem… maybe it’s the politicians (including Labour since Wes Streeting is chomping at the bit to carve up the NHS and continue the Tory legacy)
Striking doctors…are striking doctors.
Yes, it will harm patients, but when wouldn’t it? How exactly do they think strikes work, working anyway and loudly complaining?
And as can brought up, the people not meeting the demands should be falling under the same scrutiny. It could be ended by either side.
As someone who is consistently a patient I can very safely say that the only things that harm me are pharmaceutical and insurance companies. (I’m USA based)
This thread reads like a Monty Python sketch.
Not much up to date with UK politics but striking Doctors sounds a bit irresponsible. I totaly get the need for fair compensation and they should totally get that, no question, but is it a good idea to strike in the health industry? There have to be better options, no? Or maybe I‘m just uninformed but this sounds like it’s puting peoples health at risk, which feels wrong to me.
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Patients are harming striking doctors. If they want to be seen sooner, they could help apply pressure to the government to improve conditions, instead of licking boots and crying about labour action.
There’s a very high level of support for NHS strikes, around 2:1 for vs against. Mebbe cast aspersions on those with the power to resolve them, not the people the Daily Mail will never give a platform to.
Is that 2 thirds getting off the couch and doing anything? Interesting that the western world can sanction countries under the logic that people can pressure the governments. But when it’s time for pressuring their own, well… suddenly it’s time to get indignant about casting aspersions. At least the French riot. Maybe the UK is waiting for another bus to tell them what to believe.
You’re calling yourself comrade but you think it’s all about individual actions and nothing to do with power?
Fuck knows what sanctions have to do with it. Since when did ordinary people get to decide when and where sanctions are applied?
Empty posturing, finger-wagging, sneering. Great tools for building solidarity ‘comrade’.
Solidarity is when no one does collective action and just blames the media.
If you cannot be arsed to think about how power works, there is no helping you.
Still, at least France will get its revolution. All those people out on the streets, it’s inevitable, right? So easy, the whole world would be a socialist paradise if only people weren’t so stupid and lazy and too busy keeping a roof over their heads to be more like your saintly self.
your saintly self.
You hopped up on the high horse first my friend.
I was originally making a contrary joke in response to the headline. With a bit of a message tacked on about supporting strikers, semi in response to entitled behavior I’ve directly seen by people on the Canadian side of things. With a bit of natural disdain for the British thrown in of course.
Now it’s true I’ve been a bit of a dick but you’re in the mud with me too lmao.
there is no helping you.
And what was it you said?
Great tools for building solidarity
Anyway I’m not sure we’re really on separate sides here, so much as just being nasty at this point. So peace.
Well, appointments are being cancelled because of the strikes, so technically that’s correct? 🤷
Doctors aren’t the only ones with power to end the strike. What about their demands? Doctors who aren’t getting what they aren’t able to provide the best care either.
It’s the government that has systematically been selling off the NHS to private companies and allowing private insurers to let those who can pay skip those queues making them longer for everyone else, and it’s the government that has refused to give enough money both to the NHS itself and its staff (intentionally, so that it can’t function, which makes people like you complain about queues and blame strikes instead of looking at why they are both happening in the first place, while they’re busy doing the aforementioned selling off and profiteering).
Well done for putting yourself up as an example to show everyone who this propaganda is aimed at and how well it works.
Whilst I agree that the daily mail is a peice of toilet paper, the rest of this post is concerning.
I would encourage you not to see the world in black and white. The NHS has been outsourcing operations to private providers since Tony Blares day, it’s not a new occurance.
Also private doesn’t have to mean american style healthcare. I would strongly encourage you to read up about how health care works in Germany and Franc. Both have fully privatised health care with goverment provided insurance coverage. Their systems are more efficient and provide better outcomes than the UK, whilst spending less money per person.
Whilst I agree front line staff are under paid, I also think the NHS suffers from poor management on a mid to upper level and that a polarised view set discourages us from seeking meaningful reforms.
If doctors aren’t working, patients aren’t being seen.
It’s not really that deep, but for some reason you’ve assumed my entire political philosophy from one short comment. Which is precisely the problem with political debate nowadays.
Okay, so this kind of rationale is used a lot in the US to justify treating all kinds of professions (almost always those that exist at the action layer, where you’re doing the actual nominal work of the business) like shit. The rough format is “Won’t someone PLEASE think of the {customer}?!” Of course, this is always aimed at the people at the action layer, never ever at the administrative level. So, it might be more accurate to say “YOU need to care about the customer [because nobody else will].” It’s often very closely tied to sacrifice rhetoric in the workplace, where the employer places the onus on the employee to sacrifice, often without any bound. In other words, to accept personal loss with no expectations of recompense; they’ll take as much as they can get from the employee, and no amount of sacrifice will ever be ‘enough’, as there will always be some new crisis demanding a new sacrifice.
In teaching, this is “Won’t someone please think of the kids? What will they do if there’s no school? Remember why we’re here, it’s about the kids.” In EMS and all of healthcare, just replace the kids with the patients. It’s very common to see this in any industry where they think they can get away with paying their people in passion. It’s shitty and exploitive, and it ultimately does a disservice to the customer by creating high employee turnover, low organizational experience, organizational dysfunction (often in spite of ballooning admin costs and positions in these types of sectors) and more burned out employees.
“Look at how the poors keep trying to hurt the money!”
