Israel’s “Special Military Operation”

  • ramble81@lemm.ee
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    1 month ago

    So let me get this straight. They are executing a military operation in a sovereign nation… without permission?

      • Eril@feddit.org
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        1 month ago

        Am I allowed to ask where that “limit” is exactly? 🙃

        Limited to all of Lebanon maybe?

    • ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works
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      1 month ago

      That’s what usually happens during a war… Hezbollah is effectively the army of Lebanon. The fact that Lebanon’s government does not officially call it that does not change the reality on the ground.

      • Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
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        1 month ago

        Israel is aiming to reoccupy Lebanon. These are the exact same tactics Israel always uses when expanding their Settler Colonialism

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            1 month ago

            The fact that it lasted only for a week, or the fact that not even during that week could Israel keep their rockets in their pants?

        • ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works
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          1 month ago

          I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make by counting the number of individual attacks. In a war, you want to be attacking the enemy while preventing the enemy from attacking you. To the extent that this chart is meaningful (and I’m not sure it is, given that it does not take the size of an attack into account) it’s just showing that Israel appears to be fighting Hezbollah effectively - Israeli victory would mean reducing the red bars to zero.

      • NatakuNox@lemmy.world
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        1 month ago

        Lol has Lebanon declared war? Has Israel? Sounds like goal post moving to ignore the facts. Isreal is a Rogue nation backed by zionest, Christian nationalist, and the oligarchy. There’s no rational argument where killing 300 people to kill one man is acceptable.

  • plz1@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    I guess that means the US will send another $10B “self defense” aid package, again. Sigh.

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      1 month ago

      No rockets or any form of attack or threat were launched from Ukraine into russia before the 24th feb invasion, stop making this dumb comparison.

      • shaserlark@sh.itjust.works
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        1 month ago

        It’s a good comparison, both Russia and and the settler colonial apartheid entity are illegally invading their neighbors, commit genocide and countless other war crimes & crimes against humanity. The only thing that differs is the rhetoric of western media and politicians.

        • Gsus4@mander.xyz
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          1 month ago

          No, it is just a convenient muddle to serve your polarizing narrative of what is happening all around the world. When did Ukraine ever attack russia before 2023? When did Ukraine ever declare “death to russia” or that russia should disappear? You keep trying to plug your square peg to a circular hole, because Ukraine is backed by the West.

          • shaserlark@sh.itjust.works
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            What you’re saying makes no sense. Ukraine is backed by the west and that’s a good thing. Unfortunately only out of geopolitical interest and not because of the atrocities Russia is committing in their illegal invasion of Ukraine.

            I care about human rights, that’s why I condemn both Russia and the west. You have an agenda that’s why you’re apologetic towards the settler colonial apartheid genociders.

            • Gsus4@mander.xyz
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              If Ukraine had done to russia half of what hamas and hezbollah have done to Israel, nobody would be rushing to Ukraine’s defense, like nobody rushed to Iraq’s defense.

              Human rights can at most make you neutral about Israel vs its opponents, because none of Israel’s opponents give a crap about human rights either. Not the case with Ukraine, they at most match russian escalation.

              Israel, despite being captured by fucking brutal idiots right now (whereas before Oct7, bibi was eventually going to jail, gee thanks hamas), has always faced some existential threat of some kind, whereas russia never faced any realistic threat from anyone and still brag about their willingness to break all rules for “russian greatness”.

              • shaserlark@sh.itjust.works
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                1 month ago

                You are missing the point. This conflict did not start on October 7 and not with the founding of Hamas or Hezbollah. This conflict started with the colonization, ethnic cleansing, dispossession, rape of Palestinians and countless other crimes against humanity committed by the Zionist settlers.

                And this conflict will only end with the decolonization of Palestine with Palestinians having equal rights in a democratic country that acknowledges and compensates for the Nakba that Palestinians have suffered through and respects the right to return of Palestinian refugees.

                In the course of that we’re gonna need something similar to the Nuremberg trials and a de-Zionisation of the population. Needless to say Israelis will have the right to stay, but they need to abandon Zionism. Israelis won’t like this, because they have to give up their ethnic superiority beliefs and their apartheid state. And I have a hunch that you also won’t like to hear this, but this is the only way to resolve this issue once and for all.

                • Gsus4@mander.xyz
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                  1 month ago

                  Maybe, but you are missing a point too. Even if it was a mistake to create Israel in hindsight (the world was very different just after 1945), the fact is that there are millions of people who live there, call the place home and will do anything to keep what they have.

                  Good luck “making them disappear” by basing all your reasoning on dismissing them as zionists and a settler state who cannot possibly feel like they truly belong there.

                  The best you can get is a palestinian state and expulsion of settlers from the West Bank, but for that you need assurances that Iran or anyone else won’t be placing missiles 20km away from any major Israeli city, which anyone who thinks like you will never be able to guarantee, because of what you believe.

                  Now compare that to russia, largest country on Earth, with infinite resources, enough nukes to destroy every major capital, huge strategic depth (less than the US, more than most countries) acting like they are the victim against a country that committed the crime of not submitting to their influence and then annexing 5 Israels’ worth of their land.

  • Etterra@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    Just like they did a limited military operation in Gaza? I mean when you’ve leveled 97% of the country I guess it could be technically called “limited”, but then you’re really stretching that semantic to the breaking point.