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      Fixed the fix: “Leaders of Religion That Relies on Internalized Cognitive Dissonance Surprised When A More Insidious Manipulation Out-Manipulates Them”

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    I’m 100% convinced that if Christ came today the majority of white American Christians would call him a demon and one of them will end up shooting him. Especially if he came back as a man of color that spread anti-capitalist ideas and hung out with the poor, sick, and unwanted. They’d never, ever, tolerate that.

    IF Christianity is true, a large amount of souls of self-proclaimed “Christians” are in danger of damnation. They are actually doing Satan’s work for him. The issue are the ones 100% certain they are “saved” while spouting racist, evil things at the same time. How do you talk to people like that? How do you convince them that they are in fact 100% wrong and likely going to the same hell they claim everyone else is going to? I’m an atheist, so most wouldn’t even take me seriously.

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      There was actually an opening to an episode of American Gods that has that exact scenario. He literally walks across the Rio Grande and after he gets to shore a bunch of hilbillies with religious iconography alongside their confederate flags roll up in their lifted trucks and shoot him with a fully automatic weapon.

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        LOL wow.

        Makes me wonder how many racists watched that episode and thought to themselves “that would never be me” while fully supporting the mentality behind it.

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      Healed the sick Conservative Christians : “Healthcare is communism!” Welcomed weary travelers Conservative Christians : “Send them back to their own country!” Forgives other people he believes goes against the teachings of god and cares for them Conservative Christians : “Your love is not natural and you shouldn’t exist!”

      They just want to feel like they are righteous and good

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        You forgot the best past. He hung out with a group of men and one woman, and the one woman wasn’t any of the men’s girlfriend. Conservative Christians would perhaps thought this was an unnatural arrangement.

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      Yeah, that’s what I always think. For me (German), Christianity is mostly acceptance of other people, empathy, caring for people who have it worse than you, loving your next, etc. Which in policies is… being for welfare, donating, accepting LGBTQ+ and supporting them, etc.

      Evangelicals have always confused me because they are against everything Jesus stood for.

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      I mean look what happened to MLK Jr…

      The FBI would probably investigate him and then he’d be murdered by white supremacists.

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    If there’s one thing everyone can say about Trump, it’s “this guy isn’t on my side”.

    It just takes longer and comes as more of a surprise to some than others.

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      Well, some say money talks, and I’m sure Trump’s on the side of the Dollar 😛

      But considering how many people he have thrown under the bus so far, it’s amazing how many that are still waiting in line

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    Oh look, subverting a message of peace and love with one of violence and hatred created a monster, how shocking.

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    I stopped going to church when I realized how hypocritical the people who attended churches are. “Love thy neighbor, except those gays, brown people, liberals, pro-choicers( except when I need, or my teenage daughter needs an abortion), anyone who lives on the west coast, drives a Tesla, eats an avocado, believes in vaccines, voted for Biden, didn’t vote for Trump, wants raise minimum wage, oh and definitely those climate change believers. They can all go rot in hell. 'Merica!!! Fuckin Yeehaww!! Pew pew pew!!!”

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      Nope.

      Had a couple of conversations with randoms about this. They know and don’t care. I guess Jesus is “one of the good ones”.

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    “Jews” for Jesus and Messianic “Judaism” were invented to lure Jews into Christianity. They are Christians who want to be quirky.

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      Jesus intended his movement to be for Jews, as a Jewish reformation of their own faith. Paul was the one that changed it and made it for gentiles.

      Jesus seemingly believed himself to be a prophet. He titles himself “son of man” which God called the prophet Jeremiah, and he says “a prophet is not welcome in his hometown” when he went home and no one took him seriously. He was mislabeled, and only the gospel written over a hundred years after (John) made him out to be literally God. Nowhere in the first and oldest (Mark) does he ever make any claims of the sort.

      Paul was likely a Roman plant (he was Herodian, and converted suspiciously quickly while simultaneously preaching contradictory messages compared to Jesus.) So his attempts to keep the movement alive were focused primarily on outsiders, since it was clear that the Jewish people weren’t convinced and converting to “the way” in significant numbers.

      Funny that, the people who are literally from the place where it happened don’t consider it to be true but a metric fuck ton of people who got second or third hand accounts do. Hmmm… If that was anything but Christianity, Christians would be able to see the flaw in that a mile away.

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        What would the Romans have hoped to gain by letting someone proselytize that notoriously incompatible-with-the-pantheon religion to the layfolk?

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    There is still hope that those pastors get smart and actually voice against Trump. From a Christian perspective, Trump leaves a lot to be desired. Just point out a sin or two of the orange-haired idiot in each of your weekly sermons to make the congregation see the light. You will not run out of fresh sins until the next decade.

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      It is too late, conservative media has created a monster that even the honest religious leaders cannot control

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      I don’t think so. The flock will migrate to a different church more in tune with what they want to believe.

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      That’s how you get to “evangelicals think Jesus is a leftist pussy”.

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    So many older people tend to wonder why the younger generation do not support religion yet this headline definitely should give you a clue.

    Imagine thinking the teachings of a man who is supposed to the son of the literal God they worship is weak.

    Imagine the disrespect those people are throwing when they insult the man who died for your sins according to their faith.

    If I were God, I most certainly would not let those people into heaven because clearly they don’t understand that you aren’t supposed to absolutely disrespect his teachings through Jesus if you want to go up and not down.

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      I’m not familiar with Raw Story, can anybody confirm their reliability in general? This article seems solid but the name makes me think of all of those weird right wing “news” websites. Looking over it a bit it definitely doesn’t seem to be one of those though so idk.

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        It’s a progressive new site, and this story links to an NPR interview with the pastor who says Christianity is in crisis:

        “It was the result of having multiple pastors tell me, essentially, the same story about quoting the Sermon on the Mount, parenthetically, in their preaching — “turn the other cheek” — [and] to have someone come up after to say, “Where did you get those liberal talking points?” And what was alarming to me is that in most of these scenarios, when the pastor would say, “I’m literally quoting Jesus Christ,” the response would not be, “I apologize.” The response would be, “Yes, but that doesn’t work anymore. That’s weak.” And when we get to the point where the teachings of Jesus himself are seen as subversive to us, then we’re in a crisis.”

        So it’s definitely a real story.

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        I take all articles with a grain of salt. Look at the person who wrote the article, look at what they post and think for yourself if that person has bias or not.

        Most of the time people will have a bias which is normal for humans, we tribilize into groups.

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          This story links to an NPR interview with the pastor who says Christianity is in crisis:

          “It was the result of having multiple pastors tell me, essentially, the same story about quoting the Sermon on the Mount, parenthetically, in their preaching — “turn the other cheek” — [and] to have someone come up after to say, “Where did you get those liberal talking points?” And what was alarming to me is that in most of these scenarios, when the pastor would say, “I’m literally quoting Jesus Christ,” the response would not be, “I apologize.” The response would be, “Yes, but that doesn’t work anymore. That’s weak.” And when we get to the point where the teachings of Jesus himself are seen as subversive to us, then we’re in a crisis.”

          It’s a real story.

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          Look at the person who wrote the article, look at what they post and think for yourself if that person has bias or not

          ahem…

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          And there’s also Occam’s razor. MAGA shitheads are hateful. This is probably true on that alone. But I’ve also seen a couple other articles of Christian’s alarmed at the same trend. The truthiness is strong. I can feel it.