This is your hourly reminder that Brave is still Chromium and still contributes to Google’s influence over internet standards.
Iirc Firefox and I think Safari are the only major non-chromium browsers. It makes me so sad because I remember Google’s “don’t be evil” days… man they left that behind
they’ve lived long enough to become the bad guys
Safari already has attestation, has for a while, so while its at least a different browser, it’s still part of the problem.
Interesting. I didn’t know that. Safari is a piece of shit for other reasons too
Example reason why Safari is shit: It’s Safari
Anyone saying about duck duck go? Iv been using that and seems good
Their browser is webkit on iOS since apple doesn’t allow anything else on that platform. The mac version is also webkit. And the android version is - you guess it - blink, the engine used by chromium.
Doesn’t allow anything else on that platform yet*. Apple should be dropping the webkit requirement pretty soon and google and mozilla are already working on ios ports of their engines.
Source?? Very exciting if true. Haven’t heard this before
https://9to5mac.com/2023/02/07/new-iphone-browsers/
I think i heard a more definitive source as well since this one is a few months old that it should be coming with ios17.
Yeah I just googled and found that. Only problem is that it’s been 6 months and not a peep since. This is more of a policy piece than software (I think). Any reason why that capability would be tied to an os release?
I believe duck duck go sources their results from Google somehow. For whatever that’s worth
DDG aggregates from Yahoo afaik.
And I thought yahoo got it’s results from Google too… I probably have no idea though.
This is what DDG has to say about where their results come from:
https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/sources/
Spoiler alert: It’s not Google or Yahoo.
Interesting. And Wikipedia says yahoo gets it’s search data from Bing.
It is good for privacy, but quality of results has always felt a bit lacking to me
That’s a search engine, chrome and Firefox are the browser. You can use duck duck go from either.
I haven’t heard anything negative about them yet.
I’m thinking about switching to Librawolf for the privacy features
the CEO is also a homophobic bigot and covid denier
Had no idea! Thanks I’m getting off brave!
Thanks for pointing this out! I was already using Firefox, but after looking this up I found out that they also got rid of him for being homophobic.
Firefox it is!
i always use software for what it is, ignoring the beliefs of its creator, but ive already been using firefox, librewolf and mullvad browser since i moved to linux, and i have only been seeing people say stuff that shows chromium is worse. (except for people with no argument of course)
Three CEO also donated to Prop 8 in California and a number of other bigoted conservative things.
Cool. If me choosing Brave over FF contributes to the demise of the useless, cash-grab scam which Mozilla is, I’ll happily continue using Brave.
I just switched yesterday after learning more about why I should here in Lemmy.
The last time I tried FF (many years ago) it was incredibly slow, so I went with chrome. But the FF of today is actually noticably quicker.
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Why should I switch? Just curious.
Privacy and not being part of Google would be the biggest reason.
It also looks kinda nice, in my opinion.
It’s also faster than chrome now I think.
Appart from privacy concerns, Google has started to add some really bad features to Chrome, such as “Manifest V3” and “Web Environment Integrity”. These limit your ability to block ads or generally modify the websites you’re visiting, and are just a bad for the web as a whole. WEI is basically DRM for the web, so Google checkd your device and denies you access to websites if they don’t like it. But as long as the majority of people keep using Chrome they can just force these things onto everyone.
My friggin’ Chromebook (which works great) can’t install FF.
I’ve tried rooting into Ubuntu, but, I can’t get it all straightened out. Until I notice truly diminished issues… I’ll use Chromebook as is.
You have 3 options:
- Enable Linux container and install FF in Linux: https://chromeos.dev/en/linux/setup
- Install FF from Play Store
- If your Chromebook is old enough to not be capable of either, then you can wipe ChromeOS and install Linux bare-metal. mrchromebox.tech
I tried FF earlier this year. It sucked. Everything just took extra clicks. The password manager was a pain and didn’t interact with my phone apps properly.
I know the complaints against chrome. When it starts forcing me to watch ads I might try FF again.
The Android FF is not a great user experience for sure. On desktop it’s just fine but Android is janky. I tolerate anyway to support Firefox but chrome is miles better on mobile.
Hey, at least installing a foss browser won’t slow down your phone like a spyware app, you could always try something like Mull even for only a portion of your browsing if you have ~80MB to spare. I suggest it because I hate some of that extra bullshit that comes with standard Firefox. Also there’s tons of projects that try similar stuff with Chromium! Like Mulch. Way better defaults than Chrome
Firefox Mobile is great, Being able to add extensions is just wonderful.
Honestly I cant live without UBlock Origin after using it for so long. The modern web is so horrible with ads
Try branch -u origin/main /s
I can’t believe people still use Chrome, Firefox is better by a mile.
Idk, I’ve used both browsers and I prefer Chrome in terms of features and UI. But it’s not worth the privacy you get with Firefox
in terms of features
Like what? I can understand UI because that’s a personal preference but there’s nothing that Chrome does that Firefox doesn’t. Hell, allowing you to download app extensions on mobile browsers is a game changer. No ads and background play on YT has changed my life
I put in a good faith effort to switch to FF earlier this year. I really wanted to like it. I consider myself an expert user to so it wasn’t just “I didn’t know what I was doing.” I recently switched back to Chrome. I hope FF gets better because I don’t like recent Chrome news.
Lol, to me you seem more of a bullshit user than an expert user. No offense…
Yeah, I’ve been using Firefox exclusively for ages. And also Duckduckgo, I just can’t stand the excessive of Google’s captcha since I always use VPN.
same problem we had back in the ie5/6 days: it was just there and most people don’t care. i physically cringe when i watch co-workers using chrome with not even a basic adblocker installed, klicking away ads, promts, pop-ups, videos and whatnot just to access a news article. it’s horrible!
I’d use it exclusively, but there’s no Ad Blocker for it on iOS, and I don’t want to run an ad blocking VPN all the time. I also don’t like how there’s no official PWA support on desktop.
Chrome doesn’t support extensions at all on iOS, only Safari does - because of Apple. Firefox would absolutely support extensions and use Gecko on Ios if Apple let them.
You wish that was happening.
I’m preparing to be completely unsurprised that Firefox’s market share will still be at 3% next month and the month after that.
Showing people that they can avoid ads by switching from chromium might make more people use adblockers.
I get flabbergasted whenever I talk to someone and realize they’re unaware that such things exist. I hope all (according to the google store entry for ublock origin) 10,000,000 of the ublock origin users switches from chromium based browsers to, say, firefox…
Feels like chromium is the new internet explorer…
I know a lot of Chrome users, and the general story I get from them is nearly always the same infuriating bullshit along these lines:
“So, I tried the like, Fox Fire thingy, but this one time, like, it took, like, 1.5 seconds to load, so it’s “””“”“”““slow””“”“”“”" so I just use Chrome 'cause it’s, like, faster and stuff."
Yeah, and I suppose the 427 useless things you have running in your system tray right now don’t have anything to do with your computer being “slow,” right?
There is also the initial load problem where it would take longer to load in Firefox compared to chrome. Yet people will attribute it to the browser and not the fact that assets were already stored in chrome.
Or worse, “Why should I switch to Firefox? Everybody’s complaining about the performance of Firefox compared to Chrome, but Chrome just works for me.”
Blissfully unaware of the kind of power you’re giving Google over the Internet by using their browser. I once had an experience where someone tried to use this to push me back to using Chrome.
To me it looks like a tech savy kind of hurdle, once people learn about it and start thinkering they start to use it also.
Better for us when people start caring for what they tolerate from corps.
If I had to choose between a tracked, ad-filled experience and a slower, protected experience, I would go back to 1990s style Internet in a second.
Slower? I think browsers are all pretty much on par these days.
The killer feature Firefox needs to implement is profile switching.
You may know this, but firefox does support multiple profiles. I regularly open it with
firefox -p "PROFILENAME"depending on whether I’m working or not.Do containers not fit that bill for you?
Hahaha, the wild west!
In the old days I used Firefox exclusively, until my work started only supporting chrome so I kinda went with it and switched. Out of habit I continued until a couple of years ago, that I went full Firefox again and I remembered why I loved it.
people when they learn about unlock origin works better with firefox
I bet most people saying chrome is faster don’t even know about adblockers or are using Google’s websites
When I made the switch I was shocked at well it blocks ads. It still surprises me to this day. Yeah, it takes a little longer to load, but I couldn’t care less.
A few years back when Firefox went through the whole “Quantum” update, I jumped and never looked back. It’s just better in every way, in my opinion.
I think firefox should ship with ublock origin installed. (Perhaps also containers).
Hopefully then more people will migrate faster
At least tracking protection should be set to strict, iirc on default setting it barely blocks any ads.
Strict tracking protection makes Firefox on Android a ton faster, especially on any website owned by Google or any link that has a Google wrapper (e.g. clicking a link on the Gmail app)
Does that make a difference if you already have the PrivacyBadger extension?
According to this GitHub discussion PrivacyBadger is pretty much redundant if you use uBlock Origin, can even hinder performance and cause opposite effect than expected.
Even if Firefox couldnt block ads just like chrome, I still would prefer it. So much nicer in every way.
It’s better at blocking ads even. :)
I don’t see how getting rid of ad blocking would help Google. The people that know tech enough to always install Adblock first thing when installing a browser will just jump to the next browser.
And the people that don’t know tech enough to do that wouldn’t have used Adblock either way.
They’re losing out on a much larger userbase (People that know tech) in the hopes of keeping the subset of that userbase that knows their way around tech but doesn’t care if adblock is installed or not and making them ‘pay’ by watching ads.
That would at least be my opinion if that’s what’s actually happening, because I personally didn’t gaf about these news until now and I only read the text from the meme. And quite honestly, I’ll continue not giving af in the future.
And in comes Google’s ‘DRM for websites’ plan to force you to use a chrome based browser. Sure, the websites still would need to opt in to integrity API, but how many will turn down guaranteed ads and tracking.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/07/googles-web-integrity-api-sounds-like-drm-for-the-web/
Yeah if Google can get big websites like Facebook or Xwitter to use their DRM, then the average user will be forced to use Chrome for those sites, and it will be an advertiser free-for-all.
Squitter
My question is will Google/YouTube be able to block all ad blockers no matter what browser is used? Or will using an alternative browser circumvent it all as everyone seems to be saying it will?
I haven’t migrated away from Chrome yet, but will do so if that is the easy of a solution.
It’s a question that only time will probably tell. But I’m 100% sure that, as long as alternative browsers exist that allow adblockers, they’ll find a way to block ads on e.g. Youtube.
Unless they start injecting the ads into the video directly (kind of like some apps do that display ads even when your device is offline), even then though, Sponsorblock theoretically exists.
Sponsorblock theoretically exists
In its current form, it would only work if each video had the ads injected at the same timestamp and with the same duration everytime, which I find unlikely.
It would have to implement some dynamic behavior. It is however in at least some countries required to visibly and clearly mark ads, so a check for that marking could possibly be implemented. But that’s more of a thing I’d expect uBO to do instead of Sponsorblock.
Going by recent internet history, every anti-adblock measure will have its according anti-anti-adblock measure within at most a few weeks by now. That’s the beauty of community-driven open source projects.
Ai will solve this before Google fully implements it.
OpenCV might even be enough to solve this… although not efficiently.
The manifest v3 situation does mean other browsers will continue to be able to block ads on YouTube; however, the new drm that Google is proposing for websites would effectively allow YouTube to block any browser they didn’t like from viewing the site at all.
I started using Firefox as my browser at work because I hate trying to use profiles and I’m a convert! It’s really great!
The moment Firefox gets native vertical tabs with drag and drop grouping, I’m making the switch. But, as it stands, the vertical tabs in Edge are irreplaceable and not a single of the “workarounds” to make them possible in Firefox feel good at all.
I need drag and drop tab grouping and vertical tabs. That’s it.
Edge also just introduced workspaces which feels like something I’m going to love once I get the time to mess with them.
I want to leave Edge because I want to be done with Chromium in general, but Firefox feels too behind the times for me.
Why does it need to be native? There are numerous extensions that do this. That’s half the point of Firefox, it’s so extensible.
As I said in my original comment, none of those workarounds feel good. They show their seams constantly. I’ve tried a handful of extensions and not one feels as good as or is as feature complete as what’s native in Edge.
I have no idea what you’re talking about, I use a dozen different extensions, including a tab group manager, and it works great.
I need me some tab grouping (especially on mobile). I switched to FF and that’s the only thing I miss
I’m experimenting with vertical tabs myself. Sidebery is the closest thing I’ve found to a pleasant experience.
