All this… all this multi billion dollar development, all those ‘brains’, all the time and space a tech company occupies in it’s lifetime… just to force you to watch ads?
What a shitty society and what a shitty communication system we have, just because some morons want to earn some billions more…
There is no endgame when it comes to greed, those pricks will always want more.
I feel it’s worse than this. Imagine being the brightest mind in college, have a ton of experience, just to invent new algorithms to get people to click on more ads.
Yeah, the brightest minds of recent generations are figuring out how to get people to watch ads. We probably could have had fusion energy by now, but instead have ads.
But think of the investors! How can we give them month-after-month gains without forcing ad’s down our user’s throats? /s
It’s more about doing what investors think will give them gains, so that they keep investing, don’t quit, and don’t press out the people in charge of the company.
Dunno why I have this association, but when directors of Apple pressed out Jobs, Apple’s stuff in the following decade was rather cool. I just played with MacOS 9 a bit, with its classical software like Hotline, and it really had a “culture” and an “ecosystem”, and not what Apple’s ads after 2000 tell you, but these seem to have been real.
Ain’t no short term profits in a fusion generator
I consider it close to going to school for engineering and winding up being the guy in charge of making airplane seats ever smaller and more uncomfortable.
A lot of these people are probably H-1B status workers.
Multiple billionaires have answerd the question, “when is it enough?” With the reply: “when I own everything.”
We should treat these cocksuckers like addicts and start looking at reform and rehabilitation! Think of the children!
No. We should eat them. They have already demonstrated to the world that they are monsters. Monsters need to be contained and destroyed.
Vanderbilt answered “how much is enough” with “more”.
What a shitty society
It has shittier sides than the one you are looking at.
and what a shitty communication system
Well, Zuck and others found the way to assemble all blonde girls from your town on one site. It was decided then.
At least until the general humanity realized that this doesn’t change shit except that we no longer have the normal Web itself, the truly miraculous one which we got used so quickly to.
I like Gemini, but I’ll take the ActivityPub-based Web. Better both, of course. With old Skype-like IM on top of that as well.
However, the identities being not cryptography-based and being tied to an instance I don’t really like, that should be fixed in future versions if we want to have stuff working differently from e-mail, which is not as decentralized as one would like.
And frankly maybe one should separate content instances from authentication instances. The latter would only present identities.
many talks
Long ago, we praised Chrome for helping destroy Internet Explorer and its grip on the web. Now it has become the same. No for-profit corporation is your friend.
I never praised for Chrome destroying IE. I praised Chrome for standardizing many of the web protocols, which inevitably made it easier to switch between web and mobile.
Google execs can rot in hell honestly
TL;DW version?
It’s basically all the bad things that tech writers have already warned about, except shit just got real. Google is actually shipping WEI in Chrome and large important sites and services are no longer working except in Chrome and with Goggle’s blessing.
The author makes a very good comparison with Android, where you need a locked-down device and Google Services installed to be able to use Netflix, or your bank’s services.
The rest of the article dives into what WEI claims to achieve vs what it’s actually doing, and who it really benefits. Good read if you’re still unclear about that.
Who’s already using this thing? I know Google ships it, but is anyone checking it yet
It’s good odds that banks and streaming services are scrambling to implement it as we speak. You know they are. DRM is the perpetual wet dream for the music & film industry and for streaming services. And banks are paranoid as a matter of course.
It’s going to be very hard to say no, especially since they can say “but Chrome is working on all platforms, nobody’s pushing you out of anything”. Will you drop stream subscriptions? Everybody loves to say they’ll drop Netflix “as soon as they push me one more time”, but what about a service you actually like? And what about banks, are those as easy to switch?
I’ve been through this for years now with Android and SafetyNet and it’s a lot of hoops to have to jump through to stop being considered a second class user on your own device. It’s going to suck extra bad when it comes to PC.
As for Google services themselves, I’m very curious to see in what order and how they choose to make WEI mandatory. Maybe not for Search and Gmail, at first, but what about accessing your Google Account, surely that must be secured? And YouTube of course, that’s got DRM written all over it.
My way of saying “no” is going to be cancelling my subscription to whatever service implements this and then pirating and seeding as much of their content library as is feasible and will fit on my NAS.
Hope my bank likes paying people to answer my calls, because that’s how I’ll be interacting with them if I can’t use a web page.
Will you drop stream subscriptions
Yes, I’ve got one foot out the door already. Shits too expensive, they kill all the best shows, they take down movies and stuff before I get a chance to watch them. I don’t even have Netflix, in my opinion is one of the worse streamers. I cancelled HBO a couple months ago, I only have ESPN+ and Apple TV
what about banks
If you’re not using a local bank or credit union I can’t help you, shit sucks and who is actually going to the branches anymore. Bank where old people bank.
Beyond that Google search is ass (everyone knows this) Gmail is fine but only because it’s “free”, you can easily switch to a cheap alternative. YouTube is the only compelling product Google has anymore and honestly I’ll just pay for nebula if I really care about losing it
Wait Nebula is actually built out? The YouTubers I listen to make it sound like it’s in its early infancy.
Google search is ass
It feels incredibly weird using Bing… I don’t even use it as an FU to Google, it’s just somehow weirdly a better search engine right now.
I use kagi, all that money I saved from not paying for cable (streaming) lol
Yeah nebula rules, (practical engineering legaleagle minute physics etc) I’m procrastinating dropping Apple TV for it but I figure as soon as I do I’ll be happy I did, YouTube isn’t so good anymore either. The other good one imo is dropout tv, it’s comedy and dnd type stuff with some surprisingly big names imo
The through line is that now figuring out streaming services is cheap enough that smaller companies can do it, so buying a streaming thing from a company the creators actually work for is a better business model for both viewers and creators than YouTube or other streaming platforms
so buying a streaming thing from a company the creators actually work for is a better business model for both viewers and creators than YouTube or other streaming platforms
Sounds like a Uoptian paradise. I just assumed there wouldn’t be enough content for it ever to be worth it.
Logitech and multiple others are now blocking Firefox, for example.
That’s a completely unrelated issue with Logitech. Firefox is “blocked” because it doesn’t support WebUSB (nor does Safari). I understand this web DRM is bad tech and we want to be morally outraged, but spreading misinformation makes the Lemmy crowd look less like activists/enthusiasts and more like chicken little.
I can log on to logitech.com from Firefox just fine?
In what way? I was just now able to go to Logitech’s site on my Ubuntu laptop using Firefox with no discernible issues.
Google is actually shipping WEI in Chrome
Is this confirmed? Last I saw, it was still a proposal on github.
They ignored the objections to the proposal, pushed it directly into their tree and it’s already live. I’ve had the prompt to enable it just today.
Switched to ff yesterday.
I’ll switch to FF today and flood the support of whatever shit site is going into that. There will be so much drama to harvest. (I’ll not insult any service employee as they just do their job)
This is a great idea. Just keep calling and submitting tickets asking why firefox doesn’t work and what are they going to do to fix it. The shortcut for sabotaging all big-tech efforts is with low effort meat-work. Call, write, inject, destroy. Make AI models worthless. Make DRM worthless. Make it all more difficult for the capitalist companies. Fuck. Them. All.
I mean the next step is publicly shaming them but the last few years have shown that companies don’t really care about that anymore. Not real encouraging tbh.
Well, fuck.
DRM in your web browser to forcibly require you to be running an “approved” browser (ie.: Chrome) in an “approved” configuration (ie.: no ad blockers) to load certain websites, and probably all major websites.
Here it is on PeerTube, since we’re on the Fediverse and probably wanting to avoid Google.
Batter way would be to just watch youtube video on youtube while ad block being enabled that way all the server load goes to google and they can’t get the ad revenue. Isn’t it win win?
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Good bot.
So the old Internet we knew is dead, time for Internet 2.0?
Technically, this is web 3 or 3.5
This has happened before.
Web3 must be around ten years ago by now. I had laptop stickers.
You are right, where have I been. I changed it, thanks. I will say the jump from web2 to web 3 was a downgrade. Web 4 seems to be concerned with social media and AI, though, so I guess that’s where we’re at.
3.0 as the original internet died when SEO and ad driven sites took over. Unfortunately that was decades ago now.
That was quick.
What’s keeping Vivaldi from removing it?
Exactly, why don’t all these chromium-based browsers which came out against WEI don’t fork Chromium to maintain a base version without this bullshit? And manifest V3 while they’re at it.
Sadly the only real move the average person has to play in all of this is if they do this, refuse to use any site that blocks access or extensions based on it.
Go back to paying your property tax with checks, etc if you have to. But the only way to deal with these companies is being willing to go to whatever lengths are required to avoid using their products and services.
Which is of course way easier to say than do.
Don’t be evil.Don’tbe evil.FTFY
We had the dominance of Microsoft with IE back in the day. They made sure that the web was being kept back. Google is doing the same now, even though people have been shouting that they’d never do that. Here we are…
Just don’t use the services that do this
Once entities like tax authorities require it for filing your taxes (or any other thing you absolutely have to do), that’s not really an option any more.
The tax authority in my country already uses a proprietary protocol and client
It’s funny that they name that protocol after a bird that’s associated with theft.
Unfortunately not a feasible solution. If the vast majority of websites support this, any sort of OSS solution is dead to the average user.
Most people won’t even notice this exists because they use Chrome without extensions (and you can’t even install extension in Android’s Chrome).
don’t use the services that do this
Yes!
Just
I wish.
I use Youtube a lot on Librewolf, which probably isn’t going to be very trusted… Hoping i don’t get booted off of sites i usually use like YT. It was time to switch to Invidious anyway.
It was time to switch to Invidious anyway.
Which will stop working once this is implemented, since it doesn’t use a trusted browser to access YT. As will any kind of automated access. Search engine bots, archive crawlers, third party apps… anything websites don’t like or know won’t be able to access them anymore.
