• Pencilnoob@lemmy.worldEnglish
    833·
    1 year ago

    “and then we told them, everyone getting to vote isn’t a fair election”

    “And then we told them, we only hate trans people, not gays and blacks”

    “And then we told them, deregulation frees billionaires to take care of the planet more efficiently”

    “And then we told them, school shootings are caused by not enough guns in schools”

  • Foggyfroggy@lemmy.world
    694·
    1 year ago

    This meme brought to you by the Heritage Foundation: don’t forget to vote red because you can trust us. /s

  • pjhenry1216@kbin.social
    523·
    1 year ago

    I’m confused by the group of people chosen. What’s the specific meme above referencing?

    Edit: I feel like the upvotes are assuming this is the base picture and just blindly upvoting it. The faces are replaced, which means it’s intentionally choosing those individuals. I’d like to see the OP actually defend the argument behind choosing those individuals. The closest could maybe be the Biden administration asking Facebook to prevent false narratives and fake information, which I’ll admit is gray area at best, but even then, it’s only tangental to the post in topic. I’ve never seen anyone attack free speech in the name of free speech except for the right. They’re literally banning books in public libraries and claiming private entities need to carry speech they don’t like (unless you’re a baker or hypothetical web designer, in which case, no you’re cool with not publishing speech you don’t like)

  • Grumpy@sh.itjust.works
    273·
    1 year ago

    Not sure what the meme is referring to, but this is actually true in some aspects.

    If there are 100 people in a room and 1 person is just super loudly talking the entire time, it silences out 99 people. The ability to talk of the 99 is silenced by the 1. If you limit the amount the loudest can talk, you give the other 99 more freedom of speech. From a utilitarian view, you gained more freedom of speech as a whole by reducing the freedom of speech for one.

    People who say things like these generally conflate the concepts of “I want to remove others’ right to freedom of speech” with “my freedom of speech was taken away” when they often want to do the former.

    • sounddrill@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyzEnglish
      72·
      1 year ago

      Freedom of speech is actually freedom from government persecution

      Doesn’t give me a free pass to be an asshole in a conversation

    • mathemachristian[he]@lemm.ee
      62·
      1 year ago

      Its referring to a conspiracy theory that gates, soros, fauci and whoever else is famous amongst altrighters for (supposedly) trying to go against their white nationalist ideas, are in collusion.

      It’s referencing the “Paradox of Tolerance”.

      Google some of the George Soros conspiracies to see what corner of the internet this comes from.

      • Grumpy@sh.itjust.works
        11·
        1 year ago

        Google some of the George Soros conspiracies to see what corner of the internet this comes from.

        I’d rather not tbh…

        • mathemachristian[he]@lemm.ee
          4·
          1 year ago

          Probably best for your mental health. I just commented it because you said you dont know what its referring to.

          If you know about the Rothschild conspiracy theories or really any other “Elders of Zion” type conspiracy theory then you can probably already guesstimate where this goes.

    • Katana314@lemmy.worldEnglish
      21·
      1 year ago

      I dunno if this interests anyone, but this is basically how a story I’m writing ends: The gracefully defeated villain gives a last will and testament to the hero that killed him, to be read for his death. The killer tears it up and scatters the pieces, saying “You’ve had enough of a voice in the years before all this happened. It’s everyone else’s turn now.”

  • IHeartBadCode@kbin.social
    22·
    1 year ago

    Hold up. There’s a bit of nuance here because we literally had some guy hawking poison during the whole pandemic.

    Like I get the sentiment here but the height of the pandemic was wild. There were some folk “just talking” trying to make a quick dime hawking things and thoughts that were getting folks killed.

    Locally to me, we had Phil Valentine who was big in the “I’m just saying this whole thing is a big hoax” all the way up till he drowned in his own fluid filling up his lungs. How embarrassing. And you know if you call the local talk radio now and mention his name, they just hang up on you, because they want to act like Mr. Valentine didn’t happen.

    So yeah, there were a few social networks a little too eager to please the government. But at the same time, we had some folks “just talking” about something that went from nothing to the third leading cause of death in less than a year.

    So I think it’s worthwhile to mention those “free speech” folks like Herman Cain and Phil Valentine that some like to conveniently skip over.

  • regalia@literature.cafe
    73·
    1 year ago

    I wonder how these “free speech absolutists” feel about the recent CSAM attack on Lemmy. That’s a prime example of how you get them to realize unfiltered free speech doesn’t work, or you have them openly support cp, one of the two lol.

    • EnderofGames@kbin.social
      163·
      1 year ago

      Nah, OP doesn’t have a point. Most of these comments are calling out the lack of a point, but you are looking for “objectivity”…?

      I don’t think anyone cares about your “apolitical” point of view that is clearly political. I would post something to r/EnlightenedCentrism, but I don’t know a magazine for that.

        • JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl
          41·
          1 year ago

          Every single conservative bastion:

          Reddit /r/conservative

          Truth social

          Parlor

          They all are the single most obvious and egregious censors of anyone short of an authoritarian state.

          You will be literally instantly permabanned on any of them for saying things like “the evidence seems to be saying the election wasn’t stolen” or “Trump should have handled the vaccine better” or “if trump is actually guilty, he should be prosecuted”.

          Your comment will very quickly be deleted and you will be permanently banned. There is no “liberal” place that censors and bans people like conservative forums. If you post a news source from a “wrong” (even a politically neutral and objective news outlet like AP or Reuters reporting on anything political) your post will get removed and you will get banned.

          Russia is extremely right wing and they have one of the most aggressive censorships going on right now.

          The right is by far the most egregiously censorious in America, and the hard right and hard left censor just as much as each other.

            • JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl
              52·
              1 year ago

              There is a HUGE, and I can’t overstate how massive it is, difference between being downvoted for posting something others deem stupid, and having your comment forcefully removed by the forum “party in power” and being banned from the entire forum.

              I am completely unaware of any “liberal” forum that does the latter unless there is a threat of violence, where every. single. conservative forum does the latter constantly, without remorse, and for even the slightest of “infractions” such as questioning the judgement of their idols or god-emperor. Yes, liberal forums will downvote the shit out of people. That is not censorship. Conservatives remove any trace of the comment not by the people, but by the authoritarian “moderators”. That is censorship.

              (The exception being lemmygrad which is openly tankies, but they argue hard that they aren’t liberal)

    • mathemachristian[he]@lemm.ee
      102·
      1 year ago

      The point is that Bill Gates, George Soros, Biden, Fauci et.al. use the paradox of tolerance to suppress free speech.

      Those people are chosen deliberately and grouped together as if they’re all colluding. The point is a conspiracy theory very popular in altright circles. If you think that OP actually has an agreeable point then you’re not an apolitical spectator above it all, you agree with an altright conspiracy theory which has antisemitic overtones.