• Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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      In a way, yes. Capitalism paved the way for Proletarian revolution, which ultimately was a dramatic improvement on the largely unindustrialized and poor backwater Tsarist regime.

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      No, Stalin’s Russia was a paradise for all with zero issues, obviously.

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      The point is that it’s a class war. It always has been. It’s about a system of government where the country’s wealth is concentrated into a small, ruling class of billionaires, who use the media they own to keep the lower classes fighting with each other while they . . . the rich . . . run off with all the farking money.

      Oh wait. that’s capitalism. Amazing how much soviet Russians government has in common with “capitalism.”

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        That’s not capitalism that’s just greed, one is an economic system the other is human nature that’ll come out in any society

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          The problem is that NutWrench is wrong, here. Wealth disparity shrank during the Soviet system and was higher before and after it, while median wages rose and GDP rapidly grew.

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        Wealth concentration was far more equalized in the Soviet system and far more concentrated in the Capitalist system it is today and the Tsarist regime it was before. This wealth was expanded into large safety nets like free healthcare and education, large infrastructure projects like trains, and public housing, as in the Soviet system the Proletariat had control.

        It certainly wasn’t perfect, but it wasn’t Capitalism by any stretch, even during the NEP when there was significant market forces at play. The Soviet economy was based on public ownership and central planning, which are pillars of the Marxian view of Socialism.

        Blackshirts and Reds is an excellent critical look at the USSR, where it succeeded and where it failed. If you want something more technical, Is the Red Flag Flying? is a good resource for the depth and foundations of the Soviet Economy.

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    Capitalists will always serve up fascists when the proletariat get too many unions for their taste. Never trust the ruling class. We should have been Luigi’ing them from day 1.

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      No. Feudalism was focused on rent extraction, but serfs produced the bulk of their own goods. Capitalism is based on competition and wage labor. These are both class systems, but they have different mechanisms and different “next stages.”

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      not at all, the foundation of feudalism was serfs either paying rent for the land or paying a tax out of their production. the foundation of capitalism is wage labor. the intensives and motivations for everyone involved are fundamentally different in the 2 systems. The assertion just also doesnt make sense from a historical perspective capitalism came before any of the technology associated with it.

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        But you have Netflix and social media… Aren’t you happy? So much fun to spend all energy at work so you sit at home exhausted until the next morning.